Dan & Phil Part 48: Exposing themselves via fidget spinner

[lefthandedism]

I sure do like the aesthetic of their house, judging from this teeny tiny corner of it :

And sweet that Dan is excited to get flowers

[droopy]

New Conspiracy Theory: their "house" is actually just one giant, oblong glass terrarium.

Proofs: no house tour, 2 many plants, Phil has always said he wanted a house where every window is glass (AND where all the walls are windows)

Unrelated: I've been wondering this for a while, but does anyone know why Dan refers to our current existence as the "post-baking universe"? Like, I know it started after a baking video (Monster Pops, right?), and that their audience has noticed marked differences in behavior (more openness, etc.), but has Dan himself explained why the post-baking universe holds any significance?

[sparkle]

New Conspiracy Theory: their "house" is actually just one giant, oblong glass terrarium.

Proofs: no house tour, 2 many plants, Phil has always said he wanted a house where every window is glass (AND where all the walls are windows)

This is a theory I can get behind

he's making me really want to get a terrarium...

Edit: oh god i'm a crusty sponge, can I please go back to being a dank meme

[lefthandedism]

Unrelated: I've been wondering this for a while, but does anyone know why Dan refers to our current existence as the "post-baking universe"? Like, I know it started after a baking video (Monster Pops, right?), and that their audience has noticed marked differences in behavior (more openness, etc.), but has Dan himself explained why the post-baking universe holds any significance?

It seems to date back at least to Phil's November 24, 2016 liveshow with Dan, here. The timestamps haven't been copied to that thread, but there is discussion in the main thread here, including swofro noting that Dan uses the term a lot in the liveshow.

[alittledizzy]

I got some asks on tumblr that led me down a rabbit hole of trying to figure out more or less how much Phil is making (and Dan potentially would make) from the Tinder video...

According to this article from the Internet Creators Guild that someone pointed me toward, the ICG says:

Guild members should be paid no less than 5 cents per view* for full integrations.

*by “per view” we mean per expected view after a 30 day period based on an average of 5–10 videos that indicate past performance.

Using the five most recent Phil videos that were just Phil (so no Dan collabs) that have had 30 days to accumulate views, his average is around 1.4 million.

While I don't really think that the ICG is targeting this at people are the youtube equivalent of A-listers, even by their standards for the video the absolute least he would have made for it was $70,000. But I'm pretty sure deppy's status, exclusivity (since they don't do many brand deals), and the fact that he also promoted it social media means he could have easily made six figures for it.

[Susanisnotafish]

Thanks for posting this here as I don't go on tumbler much. I'm always very interested in the money aspect of yt as I was a finance major. Reminds me how good deppy remain at appearing relatable despite their socioeconomic status. Except for all the holidays.

[Grey]

Using the five most recent Phil videos that were just Phil (so no Dan collabs) that have had 30 days to accumulate views, his average is around 1.4 million.

While I don't really think that the ICG is targeting this at people are the youtube equivalent of A-listers, even by their standards for the video the absolute least he would have made for it was $70,000. But I'm pretty sure deppy's status, exclusivity (since they don't do many brand deals), and the fact that he also promoted it social media means he could have easily made six figures for it.

I mean I knew they were rich but holy hell.
(I have no other contribution, soz)

Edit: actually I might as well comment on collabs. The only one that I remember really disliking was with Connor. I don't really like Connor to begin with (zzzz) but the collars with him were so awkward, they made me feel awkward. The one with Connor patting them makes me want to die (figuratively). I don't know why. I'm sure that's an irrational reaction haha. But yeah... otherwise I like seeing them interact with others. I'm pretty easy to please, honestly.

[Phantasy]

I got some asks on tumblr that led me down a rabbit hole of trying to figure out more or less how much Phil is making (and Dan potentially would make) from the Tinder video...

According to this article from the Internet Creators Guild that someone pointed me toward, the ICG says:

Guild members should be paid no less than 5 cents per view* for full integrations.

*by “per view” we mean per expected view after a 30 day period based on an average of 5–10 videos that indicate past performance.

Using the five most recent Phil videos that were just Phil (so no Dan collabs) that have had 30 days to accumulate views, his average is around 1.4 million.

While I don't really think that the ICG is targeting this at people are the youtube equivalent of A-listers, even by their standards for the video the absolute least he would have made for it was $70,000. But I'm pretty sure deppy's status, exclusivity (since they don't do many brand deals), and the fact that he also promoted it social media means he could have easily made six figures for it.

I'd be inclined to revise that figure down based on the demographic of Phil's channel, a large share of which are under 18. Rather than a per viewer fee, I would suspect that there is a flat payment of £10k or so, but with a bonus kicker depending on how many users download the app from Phil's unique Tinder link.

So north of £10k at a minimum, but less than £70k I'd reckon. Either way, brand deals for channels the size of D&P are VERY lucrative.

[alittledizzy]

I got some asks on tumblr that led me down a rabbit hole of trying to figure out more or less how much Phil is making (and Dan potentially would make) from the Tinder video...

According to this article from the Internet Creators Guild that someone pointed me toward, the ICG says:

Guild members should be paid no less than 5 cents per view* for full integrations.

*by “per view” we mean per expected view after a 30 day period based on an average of 5–10 videos that indicate past performance.

Using the five most recent Phil videos that were just Phil (so no Dan collabs) that have had 30 days to accumulate views, his average is around 1.4 million.

While I don't really think that the ICG is targeting this at people are the youtube equivalent of A-listers, even by their standards for the video the absolute least he would have made for it was $70,000. But I'm pretty sure deppy's status, exclusivity (since they don't do many brand deals), and the fact that he also promoted it social media means he could have easily made six figures for it.

I'd be inclined to revise that figure down based on the demographic of Phil's channel, a large share of which are under 18. Rather than a per viewer fee, I would suspect that there is a flat payment of £10k or so, but with a bonus kicker depending on how many users download the app from Phil's unique Tinder link.

So north of £10k at a minimum, but less than £70k I'd reckon. Either way, brand deals for channels the size of D&P are VERY lucrative.

Is there precedent for revising it down? I cannot fathom Phil making a video for that small of an amount, and definitely not for a company the size of Tinder for that small of an amount. Not with his subscriber count and view ratio, no matter the age demographic.

The article from ICG is pretty informative. There's a quote from one youtuber with a million subscribers referencing a $30k brand deal - so Phil getting at least twice that, probably more, with three times as many subscribers is completely unsurprising to me.

[Phantasy]

The potential target consumer for an 18+ app is limited by the demographic of Phil's channel, so it doesn't make much sense for an advertiser to pay a straight per view cost when half or more of the audience are ineligible consumers. That's why there's the Phil-specific Tinder link, the advertiser wants to know what the actual engagement is and likely pays a bonus based on the number of clicks, not views. And if at the end of the day he 'only' makes say 30k, that's not bad work for a video based on a template he's already made several times in the past.

[alittledizzy]

The potential target consumer for an 18+ app is limited by the demographic of Phil's channel, so it doesn't make much sense for an advertiser to pay a straight per view cost when half or more of the audience are ineligible consumers. That's why there's the Phil-specific Tinder link, the advertiser wants to know what the actual engagement is and likely pays a bonus based on the number of clicks, not views. And if at the end of the day he 'only' makes say 30k, that's not bad work for a video based on a template he's already made several times in the past.

I get what you're saying now but 30k still seems like way lowballing it to me so the figure still doesn't sit right. If they were going to make that little from it, then I don't see why they'd have taken it at all - not when there are surely plenty of other sponsors who would pay reflecting based on their full potential.

[captainspacecoat]

The potential target consumer for an 18+ app is limited by the demographic of Phil's channel, so it doesn't make much sense for an advertiser to pay a straight per view cost when half or more of the audience are ineligible consumers. That's why there's the Phil-specific Tinder link, the advertiser wants to know what the actual engagement is and likely pays a bonus based on the number of clicks, not views. And if at the end of the day he 'only' makes say 30k, that's not bad work for a video based on a template he's already made several times in the past.

I get what you're saying now but 30k still seems like way lowballing it to me so the figure still doesn't sit right. If they were going to make that little from it, then I don't see why they'd have taken it at all - not when there are surely plenty of other sponsors who would pay reflecting based on their full potential.

Are we talking pounds or dollars? Because 30k pounds is a LOT of money (roughly 60k Australian dollars I think), I don't think Phil would turn that down as too little. I think 30k dollars is still a pretty impressive amount of money for one video - maybe I'm just naive but I would have initially guessed most spon deals earned 10-20k (or even less) so idk, 30k seems pretty believable to me.

That really is craaaaaazy money though, it's wild to me that popular youtubers can earn that much off one mediocre video. Don't really know what my point is here, just that damn.. that is an inordinate amount of money for the work put in imo. Not to sound like a bitter asshole, but it'd take me years to earn 70k.. not fair smh

[gnostic]

The potential target consumer for an 18+ app is limited by the demographic of Phil's channel, so it doesn't make much sense for an advertiser to pay a straight per view cost when half or more of the audience are ineligible consumers. That's why there's the Phil-specific Tinder link, the advertiser wants to know what the actual engagement is and likely pays a bonus based on the number of clicks, not views. And if at the end of the day he 'only' makes say 30k, that's not bad work for a video based on a template he's already made several times in the past.

I get what you're saying now but 30k still seems like way lowballing it to me so the figure still doesn't sit right. If they were going to make that little from it, then I don't see why they'd have taken it at all - not when there are surely plenty of other sponsors who would pay reflecting based on their full potential.

Are we talking pounds or dollars? Because 30k pounds is a LOT of money (roughly 60k Australian dollars I think), I don't think Phil would turn that down as too little. I think 30k dollars is still a pretty impressive amount of money for one video - maybe I'm just naive but I would have initially guessed most spon deals earned 10-20k (or even less) so idk, 30k seems pretty believable to me.

That really is craaaaaazy money though, it's wild to me that popular youtubers can earn that much off one mediocre video. Don't really know what my point is here, just that damn.. that is an inordinate amount of money for the work put in imo. Not to sound like a bitter asshole, but it'd take me years to earn 70k.. not fair smh

Lol whut? 30k pounds is like 39k USD, you can thank Brexit for that. And its not that much of a money for someone who earns on Phil's caliber tbh

Anyway I didn't watch the video but i deleted tinder on my phone and redownloaded it off Phil's link to help a homeboy out

[saffarinda]

Because Dan and Phil have still left us thirsty, I thought I could ask another question aha

I was wondering what DanAndPhilGAMES videos you avoid - maybe because of the game itself, the genre of the game, the fact that you just found it unamusing/uncomfortable, or if you just found it plain boring.

I personally avoid the spon videos (and watch the best friend quiz answers through Oqua's video). I also don't find myself returning to many older Sims videos (bar the extreme makeover one). I used to rewatch them a lot when we were left for awhile without vids, but now because we get fairly regular Sims vids I don't find myself doing so.

I've never rewatched the My Horse Prince series (don't really like the game), Timore (slightly boring for a horror game), Dan's pokemon video (not that adventure packed, lacks the banter) or the morphing youtubers video (just a bit ).

Whaddabout y'all?

[SquishPhan]

I got some asks on tumblr that led me down a rabbit hole of trying to figure out more or less how much Phil is making (and Dan potentially would make) from the Tinder video...

According to this article from the Internet Creators Guild that someone pointed me toward, the ICG says:

Guild members should be paid no less than 5 cents per view* for full integrations.

*by “per view” we mean per expected view after a 30 day period based on an average of 5–10 videos that indicate past performance.

Using the five most recent Phil videos that were just Phil (so no Dan collabs) that have had 30 days to accumulate views, his average is around 1.4 million.

While I don't really think that the ICG is targeting this at people are the youtube equivalent of A-listers, even by their standards for the video the absolute least he would have made for it was $70,000. But I'm pretty sure deppy's status, exclusivity (since they don't do many brand deals), and the fact that he also promoted it social media means he could have easily made six figures for it.

Interesting, I never knew that it worked that way.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got $70,000 for that vid, or maybe even more. I just don't see Phil accepting a spon that would be revised down in price, think he is too smart for that.

[LtrllySusan]

I avoid the spon videos too, especially the older ones. There's just not so much appeal in those mobile games imo. Something I can never rewatch is the second-to-last Impossible Quiz video because of how angry Dan got Rightfully, of course, but I don't like to watch that.
I didn't mind the Horse Prince much in the start but it got old pretty quickly and I just skimmed through the last video.

Let's make this discussion a bit positive too Now that I just scrolled over all their videos I think my favourite funny video is Gang Beast – idk why, there's just something special about that one. My favourite series would have to be Phil's Shelter playthrough; it's just so heartwarming and intimite It reminds me of Firewatch, and a small part of me still hopes they pick up calmer and more emotional games at some point.

Edit: On a completely different note and regarding the $$ discussion – Markiplier (who has bigger reach and more views) used to do spon videos for $10,000 and then donate it to charity. I somehow doubt that Tinder would pay a lot more than that. Additionally I think it's probably a flexible payment with a fixed amount no matter what and bonus for how many people click the link.

[sparkle]

Because I like video games and play them quite regularly (I have a 3DS and an Xbox One, plus some older consoles) I'm a little bit fussy when it comes to DAPG.

I don't necessarily LIKE the flash games/apps. To me, as someone who considers gaming a hobby, they're not proper games. I have little interest in re-watching them tbh. The only exception to this is The Impossible Quiz because I remember trying to beat that in my school library when I was in year 8. (I'm aware that 'its not a proper game' is pretty uppity but I genuinely don't think the flash games and apps are comparable with console/PC games, which is what I'm interested in)

I like the Sims, don't get me wrong, and The Sims 2 (PC version) is probably in my top 5 games of all time, but I have to be in a specific mood to watch them. Which is why, according to me, Dil is still on his honeymoon.

I've tried to watch Mark of Oxin three times and each time fallen asleep... oops.

Horror games are good but there is only so much of Dan screaming I can deal with

Because I feel like I'm being too negative I'd just like to add that I loved Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes, Golf with Friends, Mario Kart, the shout to jump one? and the Portal 2 challenge. I think I'd like to see them do more co-op games that aren't Dan v Phil (MORE GOLF AND BOMBS PLEASE THANK YOU) because I find those either hilarious or super relaxing.

[flarequake]

I loved Dan's solo Pokemon video, he was such an adorable enthusiastic munchkin in that. I have rewatched it once since it's so long. I don't avoid watching any of them, but I rarely rewatch their gaming videos compared to main channels. I think because of the length (I've been put off youtube hugely lately, everything seems too long, I've got a handful of people left who I'll watch). Also the games themselves, I'm rarely interested enough in that compared to them and they're funnier in their own videos, what they're talking about is more interesting.

The Sims are what I'll rewatch most, but generally I only think to watch a gaming video again if I see a cute gif on Tumblr and want to see those moments again.

I saw an interesting video course on Skillshare about making money on YouTube, by the most successful YT artist, Draw with Jazza. I think he has about a million subs, not sure tbh. He said the 5 cents per view might be said to be standard, but if you're smaller it's more like 2 or maybe less, anyway it might come to $1-2k or maybe as high as $5k so even the £10k they got for the charity one is pretty good. I heard Zoella gets way more so I suppose £70k isn't impossible.

Tbh if that kind of money is a possibility, I fault Phil way less for doing it than if it was less money. I don't know anyone who'd turn that down, though lower pay is still payment so unless a company or product was really awful, I'm sure I'd do it too. A lot of us could probably live for a year on some of these figures. My panic attacks just looking at job adverts are slightly less fun in comparison.

[captainspacecoat]

Lol whut? 30k pounds is like 39k USD, you can thank Brexit for that. And its not that much of a money for someone who earns on Phil's caliber tbh

Anyway I didn't watch the video but i deleted tinder on my phone and redownloaded it off Phil's link to help a homeboy out

I said Australian dollars, not US dollars. My maths was wrong anyway, 30k pounds is 50k AUD not 60k. I would still consider that a LOT of money - growing up my parents combined didn't make that in a whole year. I can't imagine being in a financial position where I'd consider that not enough money for one (1) less than ten minute video, but

(also apologies if i come off excessively negative about dnp's finances lol, i'm just bitter and poor. i love them really, i promise)

re: DAPG vids I avoid/rewatch - like most people, I don't really rewatch their spon vids, or a lot of their 2015 videos as they're a bit stilted/empty compared with their more recent vids. I'm also not a huge fan of FNAF as I find the game boring, or Can Your Pet (seemed staged to me).

Ones I rewatch over and over again =
- Slenderman + Dan and Phil play P.T. (Silent Hills) - both spooky, but they're bants are rly good and I think they still hold up as some of their most entertaining vids
- Undertale - they're long enough that I forget bits of them, so coming back to rewatch is always fun. Plus I just loved that series a lot, they're quite soothing/therapeutic in my opinion
- all the Pokemon Go vids
- Will Dan and Phil Be Millionaires? Just.. an iconic vid tbh, it's potentially my fave of all time
- Dan and Phil Beat Akinator. No idea why, I think it's just really cosy and sweet for some reason
- the golf vids, I adore them in those videos
- tbh most of their vids from gamingmas and onwards are v rewatchable

[awkwardly]

Lol whut? 30k pounds is like 39k USD, you can thank Brexit for that. And its not that much of a money for someone who earns on Phil's caliber tbh

Anyway I didn't watch the video but i deleted tinder on my phone and redownloaded it off Phil's link to help a homeboy out

I said Australian dollars, not US dollars. My maths was wrong anyway, 30k pounds is 50k AUD not 60k. I would still consider that a LOT of money - growing up my parents combined didn't make that in a whole year. I can't imagine being in a financial position where I'd consider that not enough money for one (1) less than ten minute video, but

(also apologies if i come off excessively negative about dnp's finances lol, i'm just bitter and poor. i love them really, i promise)

I live in a country where with University Masters degree you would need to work at least 6 years (while living in shitty conditions & no vacation) to save 30k (and don't be fooled - the food prices & living costs are the same as in UK, well at least I know there are the same as in Scotland for a fact yeah I know Scotland accommodation costs are lover than in England). So yeah....

Not bitter at them either, just at this shitty world system

I missed the collab round, but for me it's so difficult to say what I don't like as I tend to forget about it and never watch it again, so it's far more easier to say what I like as I rewatch and remember it and for me that is Dan&Tyler and Dan&Louise they are perfect and should collab more

So same for me with the games - it's difficult to answer negative question as it would be a loooooong list of the ones that I don't like (for example I didn't like any of the last 8 gaming videos... so....) It would be much easier to list the ones that I like.

[onetruetrash]

My favorite videos would have to be the Donkey Kong videos and Golf With Friends video. Their banter just works so well. I can rewatch most of their gaming videos, but those will always be great.

My least favorites are the spon apps like World Chef. Dan and Phil don't seem interested in the least. They're just so boring. I also don't like the face morphing thing.

[autumnhearth]

Yay Games discussion!

I have avoided watching the Dragon City videos, but I am sure I will give in at some point. I used to avoid all the spooky ones until my husband showed interest, I think we have a couple left of those.

I would not want to rewatch Happy Wheels (husband loves it), Who's Your Daddy, Holiday Shopper, or Can You Pet again anytime soon for similar reasons. World Chef, Club Penguin and such games are also skips for me. I also don't like face morphing (I don't even like the photo booth challenge).

While the Sims, Undertale and My Horse Prince are my favorite series, I don't have much desire for rewatching them (especially that last rushed MHP video, but I've rewatched the first three just to watch Phil. That sounds creepy, but he just gets so invested and it's adorable).

I agree with Golf With Friends as my go to rewatch, in fact that might be what I do this afternoon. I *love* The Impossible Quiz series, but I've watched it four times in 2017 and I need a break. Though I would gladly sit through it if I was exposing someone new. I'll echo "more golf and bombs please!

The kiddo asked to watch Crossy Road yesterday and while I had seen it twice before, I guess I was so focused on the game screen to notice how cosy they were at the beginning. Very married, would watch again. Plus it's funny as they get more stressed and Dan scoots Phil's chair away.

[onetruetrash]

[flarequake]

Crikey, Phil. That's a lot of salt. Bless his mum for dealing with his antics, he did say he was like those kittens bouncing off walls as a child.

[alittledizzy]

Lol whut? 30k pounds is like 39k USD, you can thank Brexit for that. And its not that much of a money for someone who earns on Phil's caliber tbh

Anyway I didn't watch the video but i deleted tinder on my phone and redownloaded it off Phil's link to help a homeboy out

I said Australian dollars, not US dollars. My maths was wrong anyway, 30k pounds is 50k AUD not 60k. I would still consider that a LOT of money - growing up my parents combined didn't make that in a whole year. I can't imagine being in a financial position where I'd consider that not enough money for one (1) less than ten minute video, but

(also apologies if i come off excessively negative about dnp's finances lol, i'm just bitter and poor. i love them really, i promise)

It's okay, I'm also bitter and poor. I'm looking at it more from a perspective of Phil as a brand is worth more so I don't think he'd arbitrarily devalue himself for the sake of one sponsor that isn't even a natural fit with his brand, even though he made it work.