Dan & Phil Part 24: I got moist for you, Phil

[daphenaxa]

MattG 2012 Playlist vlogs with D&P:


4:56-5:16, 5:27-6:12, 6:45-7:26 + mention at 2:39-3:00


3:54-4:38

yeah thanks those are the playlist vlogs. I know we have already discussed them on this forum but yeah I always had that impression that Dan and Phil forced themselves to hang out with that group and didn't seem to enjoy it or even like those guys at all. So I don't feel it is surprising to learn that now that Deppy have quite good friends/friendly acquaintances that they feel comfortable with, they don't force themselves anymore to socialize with this guy.

That said, I think it is pretty obvious that Dan is very possessive of Phil. But I think that rather than Dan forbidding Phil to talk to his old friends, Dan's opinion (or even relationship) about those people made Phil himself reconsider his own opinions and interactions with them. So maybe after Dan's input he saw people that he put up with or even liked in a completely different light. Obviously it easier to blame Dan entirely for the change...

That being said I am here for the drama/gossip. That dude is so RUDE not spilling the tea. Like cmon you called him an asshole and said you hated him you are already gossiping, so own up to it and tell us why. That's such an asshole move.

[Lurktacularr]

That said, I think it is pretty obvious that Dan is very possessive of Phil. But I think that rather than Dan forbidding Phil to talk to his old friends, Dan's opinion (or even relationship) about those people made Phil himself reconsider his own opinions and interactions with them. So maybe after Dan's input he saw people that he put up with or even liked in a completely different light. Obviously it easier to blame Dan entirely for the change...

Yes. Exactly.

[Artdefines06]

Perhaps this is an example when two people click, their other friendships take a back seat. It happens all the time. As far as Dan being a hardcore introvert, I'm not sure I buy that - he seems way too comfortable speaking to large audiences, and seems to be witty enough to keep up a conversation. Maybe he just doesn't like to be "social" and maintain a bunch of friends, but has no trouble performing...

Anyway, I hate all the YouTuber drama - seems like HS.

Agreed about the drama and the friendship (although the MFT in training in me worries about their the health of their relationships because having a variety of relationships and getting out of your comfort zone is important but ) However... Introverts can easily speak with large crowds, and are actually happier when they have a script and have practiced what they are saying. I was a national competitor on the speech team in college and a stage performer in highschool, and love performing for large audiences. But when the audience left and it was just me in the dressing room with my teammates having to make small talk I would get anxious and want to go home and recharge under the blankets. Not trying to make this about me, I'm just the only example I really feel comfortable using. Introvert =/= shy or slow witted.

I also would bet money that they have had training from publishers and youtube on how to do interviews, speeches, and handle questions. So many of their answers for things are stock or branding and I can't help but see my speech/debate training in the way they handle interviews these days.

[bear]

MattG 2012 Playlist vlogs with D&P:


4:56-5:16, 5:27-6:12, 6:45-7:26 + mention at 2:39-3:00


3:54-4:38

That said, I think it is pretty obvious that Dan is very possessive of Phil. But I think that rather than Dan forbidding Phil to talk to his old friends, Dan's opinion (or even relationship) about those people made Phil himself reconsider his own opinions and interactions with them. So maybe after Dan's input he saw people that he put up with or even liked in a completely different light. Obviously it easier to blame Dan entirely for the change...

I know. I agree with whoever's saying that that dude hates Dan because he's overprotective of Phil. You can totally see moments of that in videos, and dnp always are together alone at youtube events. When they finally do hang out with someone, you can tell Dan isn't very into it.

That being said I am here for the drama/gossip. That dude is so RUDE not spilling the tea. Like cmon you called him an asshole and said you hated him you are already gossiping, so own up to it and tell us why. That's such an asshole move.

He's the asshole if you ask me. . Why would he just say that and not say why? Maybe he's trying to get the Phandom's attention?
Lol yes I know we're only mad at that dude because he's dissing our fave.

[Winston]

[offtopic]Do we know when we are getting the next Undertale? Have they said anything yet? I am more excited about that than I was about Dil's wedding. I am not a gamer but I like watching those videos. I have no idea what happens in the game so that is fun for me to watch it. Unlike the sims there is an actual narrative. Not to mention they are longer videos, I like that. Like we're all hanging out. [/offtopic]

The whole HS drama that is YT... I find it funny...kind of. I feel like Dan is read wrong by people who are not like him. i.e. introverted/unable to fain interest in idiots. My husband is much the same, as in he can't handle too many people all at one time. (I have a huge close loud family and he has to mentally prepare himself before we visit them.) He is a lot of the time off to the side on his phone. Which at first my fam was not a huge fan of him because of it, but they understand it is because he can only handle so much. He does very much like my family, and enjoys himself, even if it isn't always apparent because he has to "escape" sometimes for a bit. I think that Dan does that a lot. And he himself says he does. I also think he just has no interest in putting on airs to be polite or interact with people he doesn't particularly like. Which can be seen as a dick/assholey move, it doesn't go with societal norms. Which also fits with Dan.

As for Phil no longer "allowed" to talk to MattG or whatever that guys name is, perhaps Dan told Phil he didn't really like him for whatever reason, and Phil being a good boyfriend just put a passive-aggressive stop to the relationship.

[ravenreyes]

idk why but i find yt drama so fascinating

lmao i hate when people are so vague about things, it just makes things even more dramatic than if he would've just told the whole story or whatever. especially since he obviously didn't have a problem with talking about how much he doesn't like dan.
also is that really the popular opinion? or is it just with the people who were replying to him lmao?

i wouldn't be surprised if dan at least came across as an asshole though so who knows.
i find some of their friendships from ~back in the day really interesting for some reason, i would love to have been a fly on the wall sometimes.

but d&p seem to have been a package deal or whatever for like as long as they've known each other so if he doesn't like one of them that would probably not have been that fun.
but lol "not allowed to". like people have already said, phil is a grown fucking man who can probably make his own choices.

and lmao not knowing anything about that guy except for this he sounds like kind of a dick tbh and not bc he hates dan or whatever, just in general.



reading through this again i sound a lot more salty than i am lol, i just can't sleep and end up rambling

[trashqueen]

i'm gonna try to keep it brief bc i have like 87 topics to cover

phil's liveshow: it was cute and funny and he seemed into it for a change and that's all i ask so i enjoyed it

also

Phil mentioned attending a wedding and I was shocked and have sudden flashback of that certain wedding they attend where they wore suits, before I realised he was talking about Dilitha wedding. I am an idiot.

same, those were the 3 more confusing seconds of my life

dil's wedding: cute but uneventful, i like the sims more when it's chaotic, and i agree that it seemed like they were walking on eggshells, we got a shit ton of memorable quotes out of it anyway so

18:44 Phil being not such a cinnamon roll - he thinks 'Daddy's girl' is a 'weird thing to call' a wedding arch but the only way that's weird is if, ya know, you think that way. Lay off the porn Phil.

that was my favorite part

i'm gonna avoid the gender roles topic bc that was dragged for way too long already

mattg: i'm a messy bitch who lives for drama, the world needs more youtubers that don't give a fuck about the power of the phandom and are willing to 'drag' deppy

that being said, i'm sad he was vague af, dude if you're gonna spill commit to it!

about what he actually said, well, knowing what we know about deppy and their relationship with other youtubers (or lack there of) i think it's safe to say that it isn't that phil 'isn't allowed' to speak to him but that dan has an obvious influence on phil's opinions on people (and vice versa) and they are attached at the hip so they aren't gonna hang out with someone that is a vague acquaintance of one of them if the other one dislikes them

i find it interesting that he 100% blames dan for their fall out, as if phil had no free will, it kinda mirrors the phandom's dan-centric behavior, it makes me think that phil enjoys watching things from the sideline even when it comes to their 'real life'

and lastly:

Lol this is too real. Not gonna lie, I don't find it hugely relative to Deppy; only in places but when it registers it really registers lol, it's just brilliant.

lol, that was a great watch

[swofro]

Perhaps this is an example when two people click, their other friendships take a back seat. It happens all the time. As far as Dan being a hardcore introvert, I'm not sure I buy that - he seems way too comfortable speaking to large audiences, and seems to be witty enough to keep up a conversation. Maybe he just doesn't like to be "social" and maintain a bunch of friends, but has no trouble performing...

Anyway, I hate all the YouTuber drama - seems like HS.

Agreed about the drama and the friendship (although the MFT in training in me worries about their the health of their relationships because having a variety of relationships and getting out of your comfort zone is important but ) However... Introverts can easily speak with large crowds, and are actually happier when they have a script and have practiced what they are saying. I was a national competitor on the speech team in college and a stage performer in highschool, and love performing for large audiences. But when the audience left and it was just me in the dressing room with my teammates having to make small talk I would get anxious and want to go home and recharge under the blankets. Not trying to make this about me, I'm just the only example I really feel comfortable using. Introvert =/= shy or slow witted.

Agree. Put me on a stage to talk about Large Hadron Collider for one hour, I can do it. Put me in a party where I have to actually do small talk, I will turn out to be the cringiest person in that party.

Opinions:
Agree with everyone who said Phil is a grown man who can make his own decision and MattG just don't want to believe that he doesn't get Phil approval stamp anymore and blames it on Dan, because why not, he seems so aloof and don't want to make friends, it's gotta be his fault why Phil don't want me anymore, Phil is so nice, he won't do this to me, it's gotta be Dan's influence, not because Phil doesn't like me anymore, if Phil doesn't like me then I am the asshole, and obviously I am not the asshole, Dan is the asshole, this is all Dan's fault.

Sorry I got carried away and sounds too salty even for myself but I feel so irritated that I don't even care.

Also agree that people can misunderstood Dan's introvertedness to arrogant or whatever, because (PROJECTING ALERT) same as Dan, my phone is my safety blanket. I bring it everywhere and hold it out whenever I want to avoid looking up and see people who want to make conversations with me. It might seems rude but most of the time I did this, I am at the verge of panicking.

[Sakura Selfie]

That blonde mockney man is just awful and I cringed throughout the entire video.

Where is everyone getting the blood fanfic quote from? I didn't see that in the clips I watched? The streamer who hates Dan sounds ultra salty, if an almost painfully polite grown man doesn't want to talk to you or even make small talk then maybe you should look at yourself rather than him or anyone connected to him.

Is that Cyr in those videos?

[silverwinter]

Look at me, delurking to talk about Deppy's personality types because it's what I do best lol.

I don't agree that Dan's a "hardcore introvert" - I do agree that he's introverted but not "hardcore". Especially because every instance where he's been asked about whether he's an introvert or an extravert, he isn't very sure or gives an indifferent answer. He's an introvert, but might seem himself as more of an ambivert, which makes him definitely not a "hardcore introvert".

Even in the Human Interaction video, he states that he's "not particularly an introvert"...I don't know, it just doesn't seem like something a hardcore introvert would say. There's also more than one YouNow instance where he's implied that he thinks he's an ambivert or that he doesn't really see himself as an introvert or an extravert (if anyone can find those clips, that would be great!).

I do think, overall, he's more introverted than extraverted, but definitely not overly so.

(lol sorry for this pointless ramble, I'm just slightly obsessed with Myers-Briggs and the topic of introversion interested my little type-y brain.)

[teamug]

A bit confused about the context of MattG and his rants. Were they recent? If the last proof of contact we have between him and deps is from 2012/2013, why all this fuss now? Why not back then? Did he try to contact (apparently Phil and not succeed)?
If he mourns his special snowflake status for disliking Dan, it's obvious he has no experience with the phandom since he's never encountered danpersons (gender neutral dangirls) since they will pounce on any dan negativity. And they've been pouncing for years.
Is it strange that I like having someone call Dan (or Phil) an asshole, makes deps more badass.
And how dare MattG shit on fanfiction, but I'll leave my opinion on his ignorance at that.

[Amiaw]

I know this just recently came up again and I usually ignore it but with Phil saying he was going through his drawers in the ls and now Dan's tweet about going through his clothes and donating th to charity it really does sound like they are getting ready for some kind of big change. I'm almost ready to believe that they really are moving...

[Violet Witch]

I, for one, am here for YT drama because I am a petty and nosy individual who lives a very boring life. Agree with some of y'all who think that he may be mad at Dan because he and Phil are not as close as before. I didn't really expect him to go into too much detail because that would be bad business.

On an unrelated note, do you guys think they are going to do another compilation video for the 2nd anniversary of DAPG? Dil's 2nd birthday is coming up soon too.

Phil's tweet about being proud of his "son" Dil made my heart go (I remember that part in TABINOF where he says Dil isn't his son, so it made me laugh)

[confusedpanda]

I know this just recently came up again and I usually ignore it but with Phil saying he was going through his drawers in the ls and now Dan's tweet about going through his clothes and donating th to charity it really does sound like they are getting ready for some kind of big change. I'm almost ready to believe that they really are moving...

Or it's fact that they came back from touring for almost four months and finally have time to clean up/organize everything that they've just left neglected during that time. But hey, I'm all in for moving theories.

[anathema]

I know this just recently came up again and I usually ignore it but with Phil saying he was going through his drawers in the ls and now Dan's tweet about going through his clothes and donating th to charity it really does sound like they are getting ready for some kind of big change. I'm almost ready to believe that they really are moving...

Or it's fact that they came back from touring for almost four months and finally have time to clean up/organize everything that they've just left neglected during that time. But hey, I'm all in for moving theories.

(But in all honesty, I doubt they're moving. I would at least assume they're going to wait until their contract is up which isn't for another year right??)

[Diyes_Celine]

I know this just recently came up again and I usually ignore it but with Phil saying he was going through his drawers in the ls and now Dan's tweet about going through his clothes and donating th to charity it really does sound like they are getting ready for some kind of big change. I'm almost ready to believe that they really are moving...

I really want to believe you but Phil mentioned before that after the tour he would need to update his wardrobe so he'll be donating his clothes. Dan maybe decided to join him this time. (Dan, please donate your ugly studded shoes as well.)
Fanfictions really ruined me. Moving out theories can mean 2 things. They'll move a new place together or they'll finally go their separate ways. I think I prefer their apartment for now.

A bit confused about the context of MattG and his rants. Were they recent? If the last proof of contact we have between him and deps is from 2012/2013, why all this fuss now? Why not back then? Did he try to contact (apparently Phil and not succeed)?
If he mourns his special snowflake status for disliking Dan, it's obvious he has no experience with the phandom since he's never encountered danpersons (gender neutral dangirls) since they will pounce on any dan negativity. And they've been pouncing for years.
Is it strange that I like having someone call Dan (or Phil) an asshole, makes deps more badass.
And how dare MattG shit on fanfiction, but I'll leave my opinion on his ignorance at that.

I am confused as well. I mean why bring up D&P fan fictions on a gaming stream? Was it from the chat? Why out of all fan fictions he mentioned D&P? And with the intensity of the anger he showed, the issue can be fairly recent, right? Or, did something recently that triggered the emotion?
I know he mentioned that he is not updated with youtube lately. But I am sure he have heard that the phandom is rabid especially the Dangirls. Other youtubers like the attention from the phandom but will not say anything this bad to D&P. IF his intention was to get attention, he messed with wrong fandom.

[akui]

Idk whether Dan is an introvert or whatever, i just feel like, by looking at MattG, Dan's arrogant attitude(let's just say that he does have one) is somewhat justifiable.

In his vlog he is very loud, obnoxious and immature, and he's surrounded by a clump(yes i used it) of loud obnoxious friends just like him. If they all write a letter on their forehead and stand in a line, they would probably spell "trouble". If I'm Dan I'd want keep my distance as well.

Also his comment on deppy… i mean either tell us the whole story or stfu.

A lot of ppl criticize deps or other popular tubers being elitists, and i just think why the hell they can't be elitists? Youtube is a business not college club where ppl mingle and make friends, they are co workers as well as competitors, those who can do a good business(not create best content) rise to the top and be the top tier of their career, they don't have the obligation to befriend or help everyone, and they have every right to carefully select who they do business with. Of course if you helped someone but they didn't help you back sucks, as that blonde guy said, but if you a just some random small guy why would you get noticed by the big guys for no reason?

[human]

Lolzor that I bet this MattyG guy whoever he is didn't expect some off the cuff comment made during a game stream to blow up.

I appreciate people having different opinions, nobody has to like everybody else after all, but I did kinda eyeroll at him trying to do damage control and insist he was just stating an opinion and not doing so maliciously. Um, you basically called Dan an asshole and accused him of being the reason why you can't talk to Phil anymore. That's pretty nasty and rude in my opinion, whether it's true or not. If it's true then I think it's inappropriate to splash personal business you could have been mature enough to deal with Deppy directly all over Twitch and if it's not true and you're just salty, then that's pretty inflammatory and Dan has every right to be upset, angry or objectionable to the "opinion".

Geez, people think the freedom of speech grants them the right to say whatever the hell they want. There's still basic principals of morality but who needs those lol.

I don't really care what he said, I don't know Deppy personally so this sort of thing really doesn't flag on my radar. I just think Matt was a twat for saying it where he knew Dan couldn't and wouldn't be able to defend himself. Really immature and petty.

ps. I can't pretend I wouldn't love him to receive an angry DM though lol.

[CallMeAyana]

[offtopic][rant]
I actually wanted to post more things about the current discussion, but my phone sucks , and our wi-fi sucks, so.. let's get on with it. This is something that I've noticed (also about the Matt G. drama) plenty of times now, and.. I'm kinda bothered by it. When there's an issue about Dan and Phil, it's not always Dan and Phil- it's more like Dan and Phil. I know (we know) that Dan is more popular than Phil, but when a drama like this comes along, it's always about Dan- nobody even second-guesses on whether to bad-mouth (or shade) Phil for that matter. I know that Phil is one adorable, little ray of sunshine, but.. it's like there is no animosity (is that the word?) towards Phil. You get my point? I hope you do because typing on an ugly, laggy phone sucks.
I know that there might be something about Phil (once or twice, I don't know), but it's (mostly, anyways) always about Dan.
[/rant][/offtopic]

[human]

Yeah, Dan gets picked on a lot and it honestly gets on my nerves. The issues people might have with him as a person (if they know him personally) shouldn't be used to try and destroy his professional presence and success

Especially when in liveshows, Dan is always very careful and thoughtful when giving opinions and very rarely trashes anyone. Even when he's spoken about Emma Blackery in the past, he's avoided going into details and really skipped over the question. Would be nice if fellow creators showed him the same decency sometimes lol but hey ho. That's "freedom of speech" for you I guess lol.

[corn flakes]

[offtopic]

[rant]
I actually wanted to post more things about the current discussion, but my phone sucks , and our wi-fi sucks, so.. let's get on with it. This is something that I've noticed (also about the Matt G. drama) plenty of times now, and.. I'm kinda bothered by it. When there's an issue about Dan and Phil, it's not always Dan and Phil- it's more like Dan and Phil. I know (we know) that Dan is more popular than Phil, but when a drama like this comes along, it's always about Dan- nobody even second-guesses on whether to bad-mouth (or shade) Phil for that matter. I know that Phil is one adorable, little ray of sunshine, but.. it's like there is no animosity (is that the word?) towards Phil. You get my point? I hope you do because typing on an ugly, laggy phone sucks.
I know that there might be something about Phil (once or twice, I don't know), but it's (mostly, anyways) always about Dan.
[/rant]

[/offtopic]

Yes dan is the prefered target , why? he is more popular and as much as I like the boy he can't fake really well to like you. Phil prefers to back off from confrontation, mastered the art of diplomacy in that sense...he may not like you but he will not show you, your attempts to contact him failed because he didn't notice it. We all remember the vlogs from youtube rewind and I only remember the rumor that one brit youtuber didn't like the fact that he didn't turn up for a collab.
At the end it's normal to not get along with everyone but to put it online is not the most mature thing to do,youtube is a job.
Everyone is free to say their opinion but you either tell everything or shut up.

[mysterylovescompany]

I've nothing to add to the MattG conversation but a massive eyeroll and a giggle at human beginning a post with 'lolzor'.

I agree that Dan gets picked on more than Phil, but that might just come back to the old discussion of Dan being paid more attention to than Phil. At any rate, what we see definitely shouldn't be taken at face value. Nowadays, they seem to present themselves more as a single unit (one tweets and the other retweets, that sort of thing). So I don't think either of them are are solely to blame for seeming aloof. They operate as a team. blame is not the right word but I can't find a better one atm

Re the introvert discussion: I don't put much stock in MBTI tests, but I don't think Dan is particularly an introvert. Maybe Phil is an extroverted introvert and Dan is an introverted extrovert. if that even make sense

also: hey, human, did you change your avatar slightly or am I imagining things?

[Falo0da]

Personally, offhand, defaming remarks like that without any explanations whatsoever always irks me because I find that's just a way to affirm your own opinion or to manipulate others to sway towards yours. Your followers will trust you, so if you don't give them enough info to form their own opinion, they'll more than likely believe your assessment of a situation they know nothing about. Now, he might have good reason for believing Dan's an asshole, or perhaps he thinks he does. I don't claim to know. But I can't see hashing out personal issues on a public platform like this as anything but attention seeking. From all he's said, his issue with the guy seems to be that he "doesn't allow" a fully grown man to talk to him which is just... embarrassing? If that's what's got him ranting to his followers, it just displays a serious lack of maturity and professionalism on his part, I'm sorry.

Whatever, though. Drama is fun.

[offtopic]I never expected to come across a Dan and Phil thread on reddit on all places but I unexpectedly ran into this on r/outoftheloop. I don't think I've seen this brought up here but if it has... my bad. Anyway, outsider perspective is always interesting to me, but just in case, be warned that while there's no outright bashing or anything, not everyone plays strictly nice.[/offtopic]

[mio]

Somethign about other people's perception of Deppy that always makes me wonder:
While I'm watching their own videos I always forget how much of a "big thing" they actually are amongst other youtubers/internet people. Like the recently (?) discussed mention of them in Shane's podcast where he and that girl were practically fangirling over them and it it just feels so weird. To realize that they have such a special status in the vidding scene, even though, lets be really yes they do have a really dedicated fanbase but there are youtubers with WAY more subscribers. (Phil "only" has 3.7million as of now). And the stuff they do is not that ground-breaking either.

This isn't critizising them in any way, I'm perfectly fine with enjoying their videos, I'm just wondering how they gained such a "higher plane level of stardom" if you look at it objectively.
When I started watching Dan casually without any background information just judging from his content and behaviour I never even thought he was that big to begin with outside of tumblr and fandom places and was quite surprised to see the BBC show happening.

Sorry this probably has been discussed before but the whole MattG thing made me think about this again.

[eevee]

Someone (sorry I don't remember who) brought up that maybe this MattG person isn't "allowed" to talk to Phil because Phil has a bodyguard now and management corralling him around. But that being said, Phil would have to be refraining from saying something like "it's okay, I know him." So I don't know if that theory holds much merit. At first I was on board but then I realized all Phil would need to do is tell his bodyguard that he's okay with talking to MattG. Hmmm...

[offtopic]I never expected to come across a Dan and Phil thread on reddit on all places but I unexpectedly ran into this on r/outoftheloop. I don't think I've seen this brought up here but if it has... my bad. Anyway, outsider perspective is always interesting to me, but just in case, be warned that while there's no outright bashing or anything, not everyone plays strictly nice.[/offtopic]

They make youtube videos and have a radio show on the bbc. A lot of socially awkward, friendless teenagers find them relatable and funny. They mainly just got famous because they started youtube at the right time but Imho I think they do have charisma and they are quite likeable.

So are you admitting to being a socially awkward, friendless teenager then?

They're trying so hard to figure out what deppy are famous for while also trying to pretend like they know all about it. This is like a bunch of 50yr olds trying to figure out the newest iPhone. "I think it does this!" "yes, I can confirm that. I think it does that, too!" "Oh, does it? I think it does this!"

At least it's not overwhelmingly negative, that's a good thing now isn't it!