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Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:41 pm
by vincentian
Late to comment, but it was such a typical Dan video, for the better or for the worse. Daniel continues to be this angsty character, and I'm tired of being tired of seeing this. Appreciate the attempt of genuine reactions, but he knows we know how genuine things are on youtube.

If he decided that this board in the background (with a character limit smaller than a tweet) is the only place where he can speak his mind (to the large audience), fiiine, his choice etc., but ehh..

Not a big fan of Russian text on a t-shirt as red on black reminds me of "vintage" design USSR shirts that imo aren't tasteful, but to him it probably looks like some mysterious symbols so :lol:
obscureDnPreference wrote:

[offtopic]Wondering if anyone has seen this. Some really great and moving points on having an online persona and the difficulties with it. Side note: Charlie was one of the first people I watched on YT in 2011 and it breaks my heart knowing how much he's had to act like everything's okay for so long.[/offtopic]
[offtopic]On a positive note, I love Charlie and very often can't help but compare him to Dan (even if it's uncalled for etc.). Even few and far between updates from him are so creative. Hope everything turns out okay for him.[/offtopic]

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:52 pm
by Birdie
I’m actually a big fan of the sign. Sure, it would be cool if he spoke out more often but a sign like that is unmistakable and it was visible for the entire video so in my opinion it’s worth more than him saying “I hate Nazis” and moving on because it’s there the entire time. Love it. I hope he keeps using it for stuff like this. I don’t think Dan is ever going to be a very political Youtuber but I’m glad he started to make his opinion on the current political situation clear.

I liked the new video by the way but then again I find videos like this one super fascinating. I don’t know a lot about my own ancestry on my mother’s side of the family and I wish I had enough money for that test, I’d love to find out more (would probably just come up with more Eastern European ancestry though, lol). I really thought Dan would have some Mediterranean ancestry though, the 17% French/German was a surprise though, that’s quite a lot!

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:48 pm
by snowbows
Does anyone else think they might be doing that Disney xd gaming thing jacksepticeye is doing? TV, Disney, more focus on gaming channel? I've been trying to find out when he said that July was going to be busy? Everything is a question because I'm afraid this is really silly?

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:59 pm
by Light02
I'm loving the current slav merch discussion lol :D.

I always find it incredibly cringe when Dan attempts to read something spelt with cyrillic letters but he pronounces it as if it's written with latin letters. *facepalm*

Like in this video:

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:14 pm
by flarequake
I liked the video, it was funny and interesting to hear what he discovered about himself. I had a horrible tension headache that made me feel nauseous so it was a welcome relief to distract me until the painkillers finally kicked in too. I'm intrigued to do it as my ancestors were mostly Polish Jews so records were destroyed, I know a bit more about where the Scottish grandparent's ancestors had travelled from.

I loved Charlie's video too (posted it on his thread, not sure people spot things there so much, I guess it's relevant enough for the main Deppy thread, but I'm not always sure). It was interesting to hear what he had to say and really clever how he turned it into a poem. As someone in his comments said, it was very Dr Seuss-like. I'm not sure what he's doing now, but he's moved to Canada recently for work (for two years, I think). His Ted talk about unfollowing your dreams was good too.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:59 pm
by George
I miss main channel content outside of Phil's bed or Dan's infamous video background. Where are the baking, ditl, apartment tour or sketch videos! Closest we've get are the collabs and there have been a few sketches here and there in Dan's videos, but over all... I just wish they would seek out of their comfort zone a little. Is it too much to ask for them to go outside? :lol:

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:25 pm
by autumnhearth
Erm so I had lots of thoughts about Dan's video and found myself writing a full review of it in my head while cooking dinner yesterday, but I had no time to sit down and write it until this morning as I was hanging out with my siblings watching GoT last night. Please forgive it's slightly pretentious nature, just echoing Dan's persona I suppose. (Which I was braced for before watching and didn't mind as much). It was written to also be posted on Tumblr this evening so that's why it refers to IDB members less personally, major props to malday for their clearly psychic powers.

I was riding in the car on the way to the store when I heard a familiar alert coming from my phone. I wondered aloud "Ooo is that Dan?" He was due to have a video out today or tomorrow, but it could be one of the few other channels I'm subscribed to. I have been psyched out before. I opened my phone and yes it was Dan and what was more, the word DNA was there. "They were right!" Those psychic IDB members with their "strong feelings" were right.

I for one didn't think Dan would make this video. Mainly because he said so himself during a liveshow in the spring, shortly after Phil had posted his. He had admitted to taking the test as well, but the results were so vague and he was disappointed. I could relate, having bought DNA kits for my parents and getting very broad results, particularly for my mother's side, which we wanted to know more about.

However, one shouldn't take Daniel Howell at his word. He could be lying, misdirecting or in this case he might just change his mind with the seasons. He wasn't feeling it back then, but there was a hint in his last solo liveshow that he was thinking about ancestry again. The chat asked about "the grandma tweet" and he pulled up the photo of someone's distant relative who had a strikingly similar face to his. Someone said it could be his great-grandmother, after all his own grandma was adopted. So reasonably, someone on IDB predicted that Dan would work this photo into his DNA video. After all Dan often sits on ideas for videos and then decides to make them when he feels the "the time is right" (or the topic is relevant).

Dan did indeed choose to make this video now for a specific reason, and while the photo may have inspired him, it didn't make an appearance or get a mention. Apparently the driving force behind this video was current events. Current events that some fans were disappointed that Dan and Phil had not mentioned. The heated protests in Charlottesville, Virginia were mentioned in the first eight seconds:

"Hello Internet, in these times when apparently (camera zooms in on his lips) *some people* find it difficult to tell the difference between protesting racism and *racism*, I thought it would be relevant and mildly interesting to make a video about the shared genetic history of all humans by finding out *the origins of my ancestors*." (Cue the soft grey filter, zen music and calm hand movements from Dan).

I was immediately intrigued, but a bit skeptical. How was a video entitled "How WHITE is Dan?!" going to positively address racism? Especially knowing that his results were boring, so probably not that diverse. Well, he did it by following through on his topic sentence and actually showing the shared genetic history of all humans through maps of human migration. He also did some historic research into his small percentage of West African DNA. Of course the little sign in the background reading 'AYY FUCK NAZIS' and his black shirt with red Cyrillic letters that translate to "equality" helped as well.
Mind you, the actual factual human migration information comes later in the video. First we have sarcastic philosophical Dan waffling on about lizard people on Pangea slowly drifting apart "metaphorically and physically, until the inevitable nuclear apocalypse blows our planet into tiny chunks floating infinitely into the abyss of space" with a starry falling through space effect. Woah there nihilistic Dan, stay with us.

It's okay, there is a quick jump cut that changes the tone immediately. It's a mention of Phil and his DNA video, complete with a clip of "Science!Phil". What's more, Dan says that Phil ordered the DNA test kit for him. Perhaps, it's just to set up his own reluctance, as he goes on to do just that. For some of us, the idea of Phil ordering DNA testing for both of them (even if it is to use in a video) paints a pretty domestic picture. Though in Phil's video he says he was given his for free by a friend of the family who is a doctor, thinking it would make a cool video. Perhaps this is why neither of their videos seem to be sponsored by the DNA testing company, 23andMe.

Cue relatable slightly paranoid Dan with some sharp humor about "laboratories" and being cloned and replaced "by a compliant artificial intelligence" by Mark Zuckerberg (thanks for knowing the correct spelling of that iPad) or "Zuck", with a Stephen Hawking like voice saying "I'm coming for you Danny". Dan of course gave a fake name for his DNA profile (as did Phil), but kept his date of birth. However he admits there isn't really any point in trying to protect his identity on the internet. Okay, John Johnson.

"Are you ready! Am I ready? I have no idea what to expect to be honest." Here's the part where I have to suspend my disbelief and just accept that Dan pretending to react to these results as if he didn't view them several months ago does make for a better video. Just like Dan pretending to play Bubble Bobble for the first time on the gaming channel in 2016, when in reality he tweeted about reaching level 100 with Phil back in 2009, did result in a very sweet gaming video.

Add a being related to a giraffe joke to the lizard one. I'm not sure if this is really helping the "one human race" thing, but it's a pretty harmless joke. "Wow. Looking pretty white. That is one blue circle there, isn't it JJ?" (the blue being European ancestry). Dan is 98.2% European and he jokes that this is the end of the video only a minute and half in.

Dan drags his ancestors for "literally" sticking to four countries (Britain, Ireland, France and Germany) when in reality those results are lumping Britain and Ireland together because they share so much common DNA, the same for French and German. He is also ignoring that 33.8% of his Northwest European genetics is broadly undefined and he hasn't gotten to the Southern European, Scandinavian or West African parts yet. But I still found "really got out there and saw the world" quite funny. "Okay someone saw the sun at least" was a good one, though I wish he would have addressed his ability to tan darkly in this video, perhaps in the fair skin section. More on that below.

More relatable humor about not wanting to hike or get on a boat gets worked in to Dan finding out that he is not the least bit Asian or American. I vaguely recall a rumor about him being part Asian, let's lay one that to rest. And I remember him hoping years ago that he might be part Native American because his grandma was adopted, but I found that extremely unlikely. Probably just a bit of wishful thinking perhaps brought on by being Team Jacob.

Now here is the part that interests me the most. On the Ancestry DNA test I gave to my parents, 1.8% was considered a "trace amount", but in this 23andMe service they give a specific timeline for when each genetic group cropped up and the West African and Scandinavian both span from the late 1700s to mid 1800s, not that long ago. Dan concludes that "a 'Scandi' and a West African got it together" (insert graphic of the two countries coming together with a smooching sound effect). I'm not sure if that timeline is definitively saying they were a couple, but Dan's Wikipedia research supports it and it is an interesting bit of history.

Segue into a brief farming family reunion story. 400 cousins, I'm sure. Shift to black and white and cue the unexplained mysteries music for Dan's adopted grandmother mention. Dan "feels like there's some epic adventure story there for another time". Sign me the frick up! In fact please just bring your grandma onto one of your YouTube videos. She has always been the one Dan has been most comfortable talking about and even sharing pictures of. (Oh 'hello thur' unflattering selfie from the Tinder spon on Dan's computer).

I appreciate Dan showing the Haplogroup migrations of his paternal line, but in true Dan fashion it included commentary about "presumably wrestling mammoths and getting frozen or something" in Asia and "then buggered off to Europe to get bitten by a rat or something". "And consistently had sex for thousands of years. Well done ancestors (Dan applauds) truly incredible story. Lord of the Rings. Ten out of ten. Would read again." Lovely sarcastic Dan.

And as he hypes up "the fun stuff", "weird things about your personality, health and biology", and "intimate specific information" that he probably shouldn't share with the Internet", but he will because he's "just a piece of meat", I get hit with a mid video ad of Gwen Stefani applying mascara, because the cheeky bastard made this exactly ten minutes and one second long. (To be fair Phil did the same thing recently).

Dan has 300 Neanderthal variants, more than 82% of their customers. This is the same percentage as Phil, who talked about his head and brow shape and nasal chambers, but Dan uses this to relate to his "dank cave" dwelling habits (never opening the curtains of his bedroom).

Based on his genetics, Dan is not likely to be a deep sleeper. "As I always say, why bother sleeping when you can stay awake thinking about stuff that makes you anxious. Right! Woo!" Dan addressing his mental health with humor, is always appreciated.

I can actually see the power athlete possibility. He could be a big strong guy, but "wasted potential" and all that. (Personally my lazy self recoils at the idea of people dedicating so much of their time to training up their bodies to be these perfect machines, but hopeful D&P are spending some time at the gym for their general health.) "Looking at memes and talking about myself" is a great self-aware one liner.

Alright "cheek dimples"! Flop. What does this test know anyway? Stop referring to them as a deformity Dan, everyone loves your dimples! Okay I just did a bunch of reading on dimples and I guess they are considered a genetic deformity now a days. However on a social-biological level they may have all sorts of benefits, from being able to read emotions more clearly, to people wanting to procreate with you and not abandoning their cute babies. Dan has also been saying lately that he's double deformed, but it is actually quite rare to have one side of your cheeks dimpled. (I used to have dimples as a child and all of a sudden they are back, but they are closer to my mouth than my smile lines and may just be from fat. Who knows.)

Alright good thing this isn't a spon, calling the results "garbage", "pseudoscience" and a "farce" even in jest, might not fly. Dan's distrust of blonds Tweet is (at least partially) explained. I still think it might also relate to Dream Daddy and it is a mighty coinkidink that it was posted on the one year anniversary of Frank Ocean's album. Promos all around? We just need to accept that Dan is a multilayered creature we will never fully understand. My husband will appreciate being compared to a unicorn though.

Dan's pain kink and weird enjoyment of the dentist makes a resurgence! Please make a full video out of this Dan. We promise not to shame... much. "Scrape me Dad-". Interestingly enough Phil has an average sensitivity pain but thought it would be higher, hates having his gums scraped and implied his dentist might be a sadist.

Dramatic build up and disclaimer for genetic health and increased risk of disease section. Feeling very relieved for the low risk of Altzheimers after reading that tear jerking dementia phanfic the other day (though it was Phil with the disease and I don't think he mentioned it in his video). Dan was clearly worked up as well. He rests his face in his palm and is visibly pink and blotchy.

He balances the seriousness with an over the top dramatic reaction to being a carrier for red hair, complete with a black and white fake sobbing scene. I'll admit I found his pause at "So you're telling me that there's a chance that I could have children--- born with red hair" a bit distracting, though I'm sure it wasn't mean that way. "There was no disclaimer for this one." Ha. I case you didn't know he's just joking "you beautiful sunset heads, rub those freckles all over me." Dan has made his love of ginger people quite clear in the past and this tends to start a discourse about Phil's natural hair color.

I'll weigh in on this. Phil was clearly ginger as a young child, just as Dan was blond when he was little. Both of their hair darkened quite a bit as they grew up, each becoming increasingly more brown. It's harder to tell with Phil because he has denied his natural hair color for so long and seemingly makes up things about old photographs. Did he actually dye his hair before his first day of secondary school? Perhaps it was a bit of bleach that brighten it up and brought out the yellow/orange tones. In Phil's Tinder spon he did admit to his hair getting a bit ginger during the summer. However by the time of his graduation, early university years and his appearance on 'The Weakest Link' he had light-medium brown hair that I have a hard time considering a shade of auburn. You might call it nutmeg, but not cinnamon. I have medium auburn hair that has dulled with age, but does get more copper in the sun. But I don't think Phil can be considered ginger anymore, especially as he chooses not to embrace it, so Dan's love of ginger people seems completely separate from his fondness for Phil (except perhaps the freckles).

Moving on to skin pigmentation and the title of his video, "How white is Dan Howell?" He laughs at his genetically light skin. 39% Very fair, 32% Moderately fair and "at most 25% Light beige" and acknowledges his privilege. It would have been a great chance to maturely talk about his ability to tan when he was younger, relating to his Southern European and West African ancestry without making problematic 2010/2011 era jokes. However it seems paleness is part of Dan's branding now (since Phil has clearly turned him into a vampire). Or it's just the "never go outside", "cave dwelling" schtick. We've all seen those freckles Dan.

In conclusion he hopes that people took something away from this be it "the possibility that [he] will have a ginger child in the future, that no one believes is [his], or that humanity has so much in common and we shouldn't be divided by fascism, or that in the near future 'Zuck' will be able to target ads to us based on our genetic code." I sure hope it's the middle one. "Ayy fuck Nazis". Still Dan gives us 20 years before society implodes. Finally he turns a joke about exercise into a confession about crying while reading the news. Seriously, well done Mr. Howell. (Nice promo for the casual and intimate liveshows too.)

This was a great contrast to Phil's light hearted DNA results video with Science!Phil, CushionStack.com, buff kangaroo attraction, naked mole rats, Buffy Summers alias, "top of the morning to ya", Phil's French ear, German elbow, Swedish eyebrow and Sardinian freckle, alien jokes, celebrity haplogroups, testing out his photic sneeze reflex and short-term memory and talking about asparagus urine detection. Bless Phill. I love him, truly.

Both Dan and Phil's videos do inspire me to send off the raw data of my parents DNA to a better company that can give me more detailed results. Maybe 23andMe. I've heard good things about the Human Genome Project as well. Ancestry DNA was pretty rubbish.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:27 pm
by Artdefines06
George wrote:I miss main channel content outside of Phil's bed or Dan's infamous video background. Where are the baking, ditl, apartment tour or sketch videos! Closest we've get are the collabs and there have been a few sketches here and there in Dan's videos, but over all... I just wish they would seek out of their comfort zone a little. Is it too much to ask for them to go outside? :lol:
While I agree, they really only do baking on holidays, and the middle of the year is kinda holiday-less. I LOVED the Pokemon GO vids because it got them out and that was new and interesting, but also a total pain because they got stopped every few feet to take pics and stuff, and that can be quite draining for them. Variety is great but I don't want them to suffer for it.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:33 pm
by mysterylovescompany
wow the main thread is slow af today

on-brand tweet from dan in 3... 2... 1...
this next one is also painfully predictable but at least somewhat interesting. it won't come out until nov but that still leaves time for christmas pet exploits. imagine if the howlters got a dog. they could barely take care of one kid, let alone two. but it does make the trash in me think about deppy living vicariously through their sims until they get their own forever home. :pinktrash:

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:12 am
by MythicalPinkTrashCan
We kinda moved past it already, but when/where did phil say he struggles with reading fast text?

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:49 am
by kindofatrashcan
MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote:We kinda moved past it already, but when/where did phil say he struggles with reading fast text?
He said it in an Undertale vid, when Alphys is explaining an anime or something like that.

Late to the party as always but i really enjoyed the DNA video! i laughed with the redhair bit.
Am I the only one who relate to his dentist kink?

I have a question, if they livestream on the gaming channel, after that is going to be on DAPG? if a want to watch it later? :shock:

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:04 am
by ArtyJim
kindofatrashcan wrote:
MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote:We kinda moved past it already, but when/where did phil say he struggles with reading fast text?
He said it in an Undertale vid, when Alphys is explaining an anime or something like that.
here's the vid starts at 21:28
https://youtu.be/yQPrRs9IrPE

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:33 am
by MythicalPinkTrashCan
ArtyJim wrote:
kindofatrashcan wrote:
MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote:We kinda moved past it already, but when/where did phil say he struggles with reading fast text?
He said it in an Undertale vid, when Alphys is explaining an anime or something like that.
here's the vid starts at 21:28
https://youtu.be/yQPrRs9IrPE
true heroes

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:01 am
by Susanisnotafish
Just a random deppy fact that maybe somebody other than me didn't know. Phil was the 3rd person dan followed on twitter and dan was the 29th person Phil followed. Dan followed Brittany Spears 2nd.

Also this is weird. One guy looks like Phil, but none of them look like dan!

http://www.wetheunicorns.com/news/badoo-dan-howell/

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:19 am
by dailybooth
kindofatrashcan wrote: Am I the only one who relate to his dentist kink?

I have a question, if they livestream on the gaming channel, after that is going to be on DAPG? if a want to watch it later? :shock:
I also relate to taking a sort of masochistic pleasure away from the dentists office. Esp since I had braces for a long while, I grew to kinda like the tightening and cleaning

Anywho, I would assume the gaming livestreams would stay up, that way they can have ads on it a monatize any rewatching (unless of course something goes horribly wrong during the stream and they needa delete that ish :shock: )

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:07 am
by scientia
Susanisnotafish wrote:Just a random deppy fact that maybe somebody other than me didn't know. Phil was the 3rd person dan followed on twitter and dan was the 29th person Phil followed. Dan followed Brittany Spears 2nd.

Also this is weird. One guy looks like Phil, but none of them look like dan!

http://www.wetheunicorns.com/news/badoo-dan-howell/
Add me to the list of people who didn't know Dan's follow ranking. Who was the first person he followed?

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:51 am
by Susanisnotafish
scientia wrote:
Susanisnotafish wrote:Just a random deppy fact that maybe somebody other than me didn't know. Phil was the 3rd person dan followed on twitter and dan was the 29th person Phil followed. Dan followed Brittany Spears 2nd.

Also this is weird. One guy looks like Phil, but none of them look like dan!

http://www.wetheunicorns.com/news/badoo-dan-howell/
Add me to the list of people who didn't know Dan's follow ranking. Who was the first person he followed?
Cutewithchris was the first thing he followed. I think it was a blog. It only ever tweeted once but he still follows it.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:49 am
by captainspacecoat
dailybooth wrote:
kindofatrashcan wrote: Am I the only one who relate to his dentist kink?
I also relate to taking a sort of masochistic pleasure away from the dentists office. Esp since I had braces for a long while, I grew to kinda like the tightening and cleaning
... same. I actually really don't mind going to the dentist, it's the doctors that I'm terrified of.

Also belated thoughts on Dan's video which no one cares to hear - I really liked it! I thought it was really well structured, and I liked that he tied it all together with several key points. I thought the persona-heavy moments were fine as well as they worked in the context of the video, and I laughed at his editing decisions e.g. the effect he put on the 'WOOO!' after he talked about being anxious at night (also found that v relatable). Like others I'm surprised he isn't more Mediterranean, I was sure he had to be at least a bit Italian/Greek. Also liked the nod to current events and the 'equality' sweater - without giving him too much praise for such a small thing, it's nice to see him acknowledging politics and making his position clear.

also lol i was wrong about the blond tweet being a reference to frank rip
Susanisnotafish wrote:Just a random deppy fact that maybe somebody other than me didn't know. Phil was the 3rd person dan followed on twitter and dan was the 29th person Phil followed. Dan followed Brittany Spears 2nd.
That's really cute :') Also Britney Spears is a stellar choice for 2nd person to follow, both she and Phil should be honoured to have been followed one after the other.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:08 pm
by liola
captainspacecoat wrote:
Also belated thoughts on Dan's video which no one cares to hear - I really liked it! I thought it was really well structured, and I liked that he tied it all together with several key points. I thought the persona-heavy moments were fine as well as they worked in the context of the video, and I laughed at his editing decisions e.g. the effect he put on the 'WOOO!' after he talked about being anxious at night (also found that v relatable). Like others I'm surprised he isn't more Mediterranean, I was sure he had to be at least a bit Italian/Greek. Also liked the nod to current events and the 'equality' sweater - without giving him too much praise for such a small thing, it's nice to see him acknowledging politics and making his position clear.

The thread is slow af so I'm gonna insert my random comment in here but this bit made me laugh because Dan looks nothing like Mediterranean lmao I don't know where people see it? Although, granted, Mediterraneans are diverse too but I would've been very surprised if he had some in his DNA. I found interesting both he and Phil had some Scandinavian in their DNA - maybe some big migration movements that I never studied?

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:19 pm
by captainspacecoat
liola wrote:

The thread is slow af so I'm gonna insert my random comment in here but this bit made me laugh because Dan looks nothing like Mediterranean lmao I don't know where people see it? Although, granted, Mediterraneans are diverse too but I would've been very surprised if he had some in his DNA. I found interesting both he and Phil had some Scandinavian in their DNA - maybe some big migration movements that I never studied?
I'm half-Italian (my Dad and his family are from Calabria) and Dan tans very similarly to me, although I never go in the sun so I'm pale af (same goes for Dan by the looks of it :lol: ). That plus his dark eyes and dark hair had me thinking he might at least be some percentage Mediterranean. But yeah, I guess that isn't the case at all judging by the results of the test!

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:26 pm
by liola
captainspacecoat wrote:
liola wrote:

The thread is slow af so I'm gonna insert my random comment in here but this bit made me laugh because Dan looks nothing like Mediterranean lmao I don't know where people see it? Although, granted, Mediterraneans are diverse too but I would've been very surprised if he had some in his DNA. I found interesting both he and Phil had some Scandinavian in their DNA - maybe some big migration movements that I never studied?
I'm half-Italian (my Dad and his family are from Calabria) and Dan tans very similarly to me, although I never go in the sun so I'm pale af (same goes for Dan by the looks of it :lol: ). That plus his dark eyes and dark hair had me thinking he might at least be some percentage Mediterranean. But yeah, I guess that isn't the case at all judging by the results of the test!
Well first of all hi half-compatriot lmao I also tan easily, though I burn quite as easily so I probably have bad italian genes ;_; To be honest the dark hair and eyes could very well be from his French DNA, since brunet people are quite common there from what I know. Idk I never really looked at Dan and thought he had something mediterranean in him but again, Italy has some pretty tall, pale, blonde people as well especially in the North so anything could happen. It just made me smile!

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:40 pm
by sparkle
The DNA video made me simultaneously really want to do a DNA test (tbh I've wanted to do one ever since I found out i'm A- when NOBODY ELSE in my family is rhesus negative) but simultaneously terrified because I 95% sure I have at least one copy of the Alzheimers gene and I don't want that confirmed, I'd rather live in ignorance.

Loved the t-shirt and the light box and the racism comment - none of those things weren't deliberate. And tbh, even though it could be seen as pandering and 'the bare minimum' its a very calm assertion? I like that.

I didnt love the video though, wasn't worth waiting a month for, but some of the little touches made me happy. Especially the Tinder spon joke.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:48 pm
by Susanisnotafish
I'm just gonna stick this in here as filler until Dans ls later. It's kind of a "Best of Serious Daniel". Makes me wonder: Would you guys like him to do serious main channel vids sometimes? I think I would. I started out liking Dan mostly for his serious side. I don't LOVE his comedy all the time; although I sometimes do.


Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:39 pm
by citizen_erased
Susanisnotafish wrote:I'm just gonna stick this in here as filler until Dans ls later. It's kind of a "Best of Serious Daniel". Makes me wonder: Would you guys like him to do serious main channel vids sometimes? I think I would. I started out liking Dan mostly for his serious side. I don't LOVE his comedy all the time; although I sometimes do.

I had that video playing in the background while doing other things, and he was talking about a really serious topic but when I clicked back to the tab he was in (what I think is) a winnie the pooh onesie :lol: :lol:

I think I'd like him to do more serious vids on his side channel maybe? I do love his more serious side and I think he has interesting thoughts on all kinds of topics (albeit occasionally bordering on pretentious). But I'm not sure I'd want them on his main channel even if just because I'd probably find it hard to take it seriously then because of all the comedy.

Re: Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:41 pm
by alittledizzy
autumnhearth wrote:Erm so I had lots of thoughts about Dan's video and found myself writing a full review of it in my head while cooking dinner yesterday, but I had no time to sit down and write it until this morning as I was hanging out with my siblings watching GoT last night. Please forgive it's slightly pretentious nature, just echoing Dan's persona I suppose. (Which I was braced for before watching and didn't mind as much). It was written to also be posted on Tumblr this evening so that's why it refers to IDB members less personally, major props to malday for their clearly psychic powers.
I was riding in the car on the way to the store when I heard a familiar alert coming from my phone. I wondered aloud "Ooo is that Dan?" He was due to have a video out today or tomorrow, but it could be one of the few other channels I'm subscribed to. I have been psyched out before. I opened my phone and yes it was Dan and what was more, the word DNA was there. "They were right!" Those psychic IDB members with their "strong feelings" were right.

I for one didn't think Dan would make this video. Mainly because he said so himself during a liveshow in the spring, shortly after Phil had posted his. He had admitted to taking the test as well, but the results were so vague and he was disappointed. I could relate, having bought DNA kits for my parents and getting very broad results, particularly for my mother's side, which we wanted to know more about.

However, one shouldn't take Daniel Howell at his word. He could be lying, misdirecting or in this case he might just change his mind with the seasons. He wasn't feeling it back then, but there was a hint in his last solo liveshow that he was thinking about ancestry again. The chat asked about "the grandma tweet" and he pulled up the photo of someone's distant relative who had a strikingly similar face to his. Someone said it could be his great-grandmother, after all his own grandma was adopted. So reasonably, someone on IDB predicted that Dan would work this photo into his DNA video. After all Dan often sits on ideas for videos and then decides to make them when he feels the "the time is right" (or the topic is relevant).

Dan did indeed choose to make this video now for a specific reason, and while the photo may have inspired him, it didn't make an appearance or get a mention. Apparently the driving force behind this video was current events. Current events that some fans were disappointed that Dan and Phil had not mentioned. The heated protests in Charlottesville, Virginia were mentioned in the first eight seconds:

"Hello Internet, in these times when apparently (camera zooms in on his lips) *some people* find it difficult to tell the difference between protesting racism and *racism*, I thought it would be relevant and mildly interesting to make a video about the shared genetic history of all humans by finding out *the origins of my ancestors*." (Cue the soft grey filter, zen music and calm hand movements from Dan).

I was immediately intrigued, but a bit skeptical. How was a video entitled "How WHITE is Dan?!" going to positively address racism? Especially knowing that his results were boring, so probably not that diverse. Well, he did it by following through on his topic sentence and actually showing the shared genetic history of all humans through maps of human migration. He also did some historic research into his small percentage of West African DNA. Of course the little sign in the background reading 'AYY FUCK NAZIS' and his black shirt with red Cyrillic letters that translate to "equality" helped as well.
Mind you, the actual factual human migration information comes later in the video. First we have sarcastic philosophical Dan waffling on about lizard people on Pangea slowly drifting apart "metaphorically and physically, until the inevitable nuclear apocalypse blows our planet into tiny chunks floating infinitely into the abyss of space" with a starry falling through space effect. Woah there nihilistic Dan, stay with us.

It's okay, there is a quick jump cut that changes the tone immediately. It's a mention of Phil and his DNA video, complete with a clip of "Science!Phil". What's more, Dan says that Phil ordered the DNA test kit for him. Perhaps, it's just to set up his own reluctance, as he goes on to do just that. For some of us, the idea of Phil ordering DNA testing for both of them (even if it is to use in a video) paints a pretty domestic picture. Though in Phil's video he says he was given his for free by a friend of the family who is a doctor, thinking it would make a cool video. Perhaps this is why neither of their videos seem to be sponsored by the DNA testing company, 23andMe.

Cue relatable slightly paranoid Dan with some sharp humor about "laboratories" and being cloned and replaced "by a compliant artificial intelligence" by Mark Zuckerberg (thanks for knowing the correct spelling of that iPad) or "Zuck", with a Stephen Hawking like voice saying "I'm coming for you Danny". Dan of course gave a fake name for his DNA profile (as did Phil), but kept his date of birth. However he admits there isn't really any point in trying to protect his identity on the internet. Okay, John Johnson.

"Are you ready! Am I ready? I have no idea what to expect to be honest." Here's the part where I have to suspend my disbelief and just accept that Dan pretending to react to these results as if he didn't view them several months ago does make for a better video. Just like Dan pretending to play Bubble Bobble for the first time on the gaming channel in 2016, when in reality he tweeted about reaching level 100 with Phil back in 2009, did result in a very sweet gaming video.

Add a being related to a giraffe joke to the lizard one. I'm not sure if this is really helping the "one human race" thing, but it's a pretty harmless joke. "Wow. Looking pretty white. That is one blue circle there, isn't it JJ?" (the blue being European ancestry). Dan is 98.2% European and he jokes that this is the end of the video only a minute and half in.

Dan drags his ancestors for "literally" sticking to four countries (Britain, Ireland, France and Germany) when in reality those results are lumping Britain and Ireland together because they share so much common DNA, the same for French and German. He is also ignoring that 33.8% of his Northwest European genetics is broadly undefined and he hasn't gotten to the Southern European, Scandinavian or West African parts yet. But I still found "really got out there and saw the world" quite funny. "Okay someone saw the sun at least" was a good one, though I wish he would have addressed his ability to tan darkly in this video, perhaps in the fair skin section. More on that below.

More relatable humor about not wanting to hike or get on a boat gets worked in to Dan finding out that he is not the least bit Asian or American. I vaguely recall a rumor about him being part Asian, let's lay one that to rest. And I remember him hoping years ago that he might be part Native American because his grandma was adopted, but I found that extremely unlikely. Probably just a bit of wishful thinking perhaps brought on by being Team Jacob.

Now here is the part that interests me the most. On the Ancestry DNA test I gave to my parents, 1.8% was considered a "trace amount", but in this 23andMe service they give a specific timeline for when each genetic group cropped up and the West African and Scandinavian both span from the late 1700s to mid 1800s, not that long ago. Dan concludes that "a 'Scandi' and a West African got it together" (insert graphic of the two countries coming together with a smooching sound effect). I'm not sure if that timeline is definitively saying they were a couple, but Dan's Wikipedia research supports it and it is an interesting bit of history.

Segue into a brief farming family reunion story. 400 cousins, I'm sure. Shift to black and white and cue the unexplained mysteries music for Dan's adopted grandmother mention. Dan "feels like there's some epic adventure story there for another time". Sign me the frick up! In fact please just bring your grandma onto one of your YouTube videos. She has always been the one Dan has been most comfortable talking about and even sharing pictures of. (Oh 'hello thur' unflattering selfie from the Tinder spon on Dan's computer).

I appreciate Dan showing the Haplogroup migrations of his paternal line, but in true Dan fashion it included commentary about "presumably wrestling mammoths and getting frozen or something" in Asia and "then buggered off to Europe to get bitten by a rat or something". "And consistently had sex for thousands of years. Well done ancestors (Dan applauds) truly incredible story. Lord of the Rings. Ten out of ten. Would read again." Lovely sarcastic Dan.

And as he hypes up "the fun stuff", "weird things about your personality, health and biology", and "intimate specific information" that he probably shouldn't share with the Internet", but he will because he's "just a piece of meat", I get hit with a mid video ad of Gwen Stefani applying mascara, because the cheeky bastard made this exactly ten minutes and one second long. (To be fair Phil did the same thing recently).

Dan has 300 Neanderthal variants, more than 82% of their customers. This is the same percentage as Phil, who talked about his head and brow shape and nasal chambers, but Dan uses this to relate to his "dank cave" dwelling habits (never opening the curtains of his bedroom).

Based on his genetics, Dan is not likely to be a deep sleeper. "As I always say, why bother sleeping when you can stay awake thinking about stuff that makes you anxious. Right! Woo!" Dan addressing his mental health with humor, is always appreciated.

I can actually see the power athlete possibility. He could be a big strong guy, but "wasted potential" and all that. (Personally my lazy self recoils at the idea of people dedicating so much of their time to training up their bodies to be these perfect machines, but hopeful D&P are spending some time at the gym for their general health.) "Looking at memes and talking about myself" is a great self-aware one liner.

Alright "cheek dimples"! Flop. What does this test know anyway? Stop referring to them as a deformity Dan, everyone loves your dimples! Okay I just did a bunch of reading on dimples and I guess they are considered a genetic deformity now a days. However on a social-biological level they may have all sorts of benefits, from being able to read emotions more clearly, to people wanting to procreate with you and not abandoning their cute babies. Dan has also been saying lately that he's double deformed, but it is actually quite rare to have one side of your cheeks dimpled. (I used to have dimples as a child and all of a sudden they are back, but they are closer to my mouth than my smile lines and may just be from fat. Who knows.)

Alright good thing this isn't a spon, calling the results "garbage", "pseudoscience" and a "farce" even in jest, might not fly. Dan's distrust of blonds Tweet is (at least partially) explained. I still think it might also relate to Dream Daddy and it is a mighty coinkidink that it was posted on the one year anniversary of Frank Ocean's album. Promos all around? We just need to accept that Dan is a multilayered creature we will never fully understand. My husband will appreciate being compared to a unicorn though.

Dan's pain kink and weird enjoyment of the dentist makes a resurgence! Please make a full video out of this Dan. We promise not to shame... much. "Scrape me Dad-". Interestingly enough Phil has an average sensitivity pain but thought it would be higher, hates having his gums scraped and implied his dentist might be a sadist.

Dramatic build up and disclaimer for genetic health and increased risk of disease section. Feeling very relieved for the low risk of Altzheimers after reading that tear jerking dementia phanfic the other day (though it was Phil with the disease and I don't think he mentioned it in his video). Dan was clearly worked up as well. He rests his face in his palm and is visibly pink and blotchy.

He balances the seriousness with an over the top dramatic reaction to being a carrier for red hair, complete with a black and white fake sobbing scene. I'll admit I found his pause at "So you're telling me that there's a chance that I could have children--- born with red hair" a bit distracting, though I'm sure it wasn't mean that way. "There was no disclaimer for this one." Ha. I case you didn't know he's just joking "you beautiful sunset heads, rub those freckles all over me." Dan has made his love of ginger people quite clear in the past and this tends to start a discourse about Phil's natural hair color.

I'll weigh in on this. Phil was clearly ginger as a young child, just as Dan was blond when he was little. Both of their hair darkened quite a bit as they grew up, each becoming increasingly more brown. It's harder to tell with Phil because he has denied his natural hair color for so long and seemingly makes up things about old photographs. Did he actually dye his hair before his first day of secondary school? Perhaps it was a bit of bleach that brighten it up and brought out the yellow/orange tones. In Phil's Tinder spon he did admit to his hair getting a bit ginger during the summer. However by the time of his graduation, early university years and his appearance on 'The Weakest Link' he had light-medium brown hair that I have a hard time considering a shade of auburn. You might call it nutmeg, but not cinnamon. I have medium auburn hair that has dulled with age, but does get more copper in the sun. But I don't think Phil can be considered ginger anymore, especially as he chooses not to embrace it, so Dan's love of ginger people seems completely separate from his fondness for Phil (except perhaps the freckles).

Moving on to skin pigmentation and the title of his video, "How white is Dan Howell?" He laughs at his genetically light skin. 39% Very fair, 32% Moderately fair and "at most 25% Light beige" and acknowledges his privilege. It would have been a great chance to maturely talk about his ability to tan when he was younger, relating to his Southern European and West African ancestry without making problematic 2010/2011 era jokes. However it seems paleness is part of Dan's branding now (since Phil has clearly turned him into a vampire). Or it's just the "never go outside", "cave dwelling" schtick. We've all seen those freckles Dan.

In conclusion he hopes that people took something away from this be it "the possibility that [he] will have a ginger child in the future, that no one believes is [his], or that humanity has so much in common and we shouldn't be divided by fascism, or that in the near future 'Zuck' will be able to target ads to us based on our genetic code." I sure hope it's the middle one. "Ayy fuck Nazis". Still Dan gives us 20 years before society implodes. Finally he turns a joke about exercise into a confession about crying while reading the news. Seriously, well done Mr. Howell. (Nice promo for the casual and intimate liveshows too.)

This was a great contrast to Phil's light hearted DNA results video with Science!Phil, CushionStack.com, buff kangaroo attraction, naked mole rats, Buffy Summers alias, "top of the morning to ya", Phil's French ear, German elbow, Swedish eyebrow and Sardinian freckle, alien jokes, celebrity haplogroups, testing out his photic sneeze reflex and short-term memory and talking about asparagus urine detection. Bless Phill. I love him, truly.

Both Dan and Phil's videos do inspire me to send off the raw data of my parents DNA to a better company that can give me more detailed results. Maybe 23andMe. I've heard good things about the Human Genome Project as well. Ancestry DNA was pretty rubbish.
Ooh, there were some interesting bits in this post. I'm going to pluck out specific parts that I like/to reply to, but I left the whole thing intact under the spoiler above for full context.
autumnhearth wrote:I for one didn't think Dan would make this video. Mainly because he said so himself during a liveshow in the spring, shortly after Phil had posted his. He had admitted to taking the test as well, but the results were so vague and he was disappointed.
I have a feeling that he did this because he wanted something absolutely not-controversial after his last two (solo) videos were met with such mixed results. I mean, the meme video was just kind of a mess and while the Tinder one went over amazingly with fans... obviously, there were some problems there. I do wonder how much input Phil had, if he urged Dan to reconsider it?

I also think that something else is taking up most, if not all, of their time - and Dan needed a video he could sit down and film in one go the same day they did the joint livestream.
autumnhearth wrote:It's okay, there is a quick jump cut that changes the tone immediately. It's a mention of Phil and his DNA video, complete with a clip of "Science!Phil". What's more, Dan says that Phil ordered the DNA test kit for him. Perhaps, it's just to set up his own reluctance, as he goes on to do just that. For some of us, the idea of Phil ordering DNA testing for both of them (even if it is to use in a video) paints a pretty domestic picture. Though in Phil's video he says he was given his for free by a friend of the family who is a doctor, thinking it would make a cool video. Perhaps this is why neither of their videos seem to be sponsored by the DNA testing company, 23andMe.
I was halfway through the video before it dawned on me that it wasn't a spon video. I think it's pretty clear that Phil ordered both the tests and just thought the 'free by a friend of the family' thing was a good segue into the video concept. I tend to assume whatever preamble structures any kind of video like this is likely to be a half-truth at best. (Things like Phil surprising Dan with a kangaroo suit when we actually knew Dan bought and ordered it, because they tend to not care nearly as much about any kind of easy facade for the core audience.)
autumnhearth wrote:st like Dan pretending to play Bubble Bobble for the first time on the gaming channel in 2016, when in reality he tweeted about reaching level 100 with Phil back in 2009, did result in a very sweet gaming video.
Yes - this is basically what I was saying in my response above. Though I do think in regard to Bubble Bobble, Dan had genuinely forgotten most if not all of the gameplay and likely didn't know the actual backstory.
autumnhearth wrote:And I remember him hoping years ago that he might be part Native American because his grandma was adopted, but I found that extremely unlikely. Probably just a bit of wishful thinking perhaps brought on by being Team Jacob.
(Cue the clip of Dan saying Phil likes Tayler Lautner with his shirt off.)
autumnhearth wrote:However on a social-biological level they may have all sorts of benefits, from being able to read emotions more clearly, to people wanting to procreate with you and not abandoning their cute babies.
(Cue a very weird caveman mpreg au where Phil just can't abandon those chubby cheeked dimpled kidlets.)
autumnhearth wrote:Dramatic build up and disclaimer for genetic health and increased risk of disease section.
He read the low risk for Altzheimers, but doesn't the DNA test check for other things too? I wonder if other results were higher but he just chose not to share those. I also wonder if Phil ordering the tests to begin with was just curiosity about genetic origins or if the health checks were also part of it?
autumnhearth wrote:In Phil's Tinder spon he did admit to his hair getting a bit ginger during the summer. However by the time of his graduation, early university years and his appearance on 'The Weakest Link' he had light-medium brown hair that I have a hard time considering a shade of auburn.
I actually thought the dark brown in Phil's hair was dyed - there are points in his teen years where it's very reddish and I can't imagine it went from that to properly dark brown on its own. Doesn't that kind of hair color change usually happen when you're much younger?