princenagi wrote:*raises hand* as your local actual furry i'd like to shed some light on what the subculture actually means as all this bestiality talk is a bit concerning - there seems to be a huge misunderstanding here
'furry' is an umbrella term, it can mean anything from wanting to wear a fursuit (completely non-sexually too ! some people just like animals), believing you were an animal in a past life and therefore feeling a strong connection to them (ex. a dog or fox or lion even !), or even just enjoying content w/anthropomorphic characters (ex. sonic the hedgehog, animaniacs, zootopia)
the word 'furry' also is used to describe an animal that is anthropomorphic and also extends to like anime catgirls or humans w/animal features (yes, garfield is a furry and so is tony the tiger)
i am in the category of just really loving animals and by extension media w/anthro characters which by the way doesn't even mean animals that are upright and talking - an animal just has to take on human characteristics to be considered anthropomorphic !
so it doesn't really have anything to do with sexuality thats completely irrelevant and yes it does overlap for some people but its usually that they find the human characteristics in an animal sexually appealing so really, there is no need to discuss whether someone's going to yiff their dog or if they shouldn't be allowed to have a dog if they're a furry - thats a bit offensive in itself to even consider honestly
but yeah i hope this helped ?? being a furry just means you like animals that talk for a lot of people or that you simply just had a crush on fox mccloud or something no need for concern !
I'm glad we have a furry here to actually shed light on what it really is. I rag on furries a lot, and call them gross, but it's just a joke, and I realized that was wrong only when I saw how uninformed people are about furries. It's a pretty harmless kink/fetish, imo, and it's troubling to see people conflate it with bestiality.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:54 pm
by akui
I also found out that last may, channelflip had two directors left them and two new one were appointed by their parent company Endemol Shine.
I now wonder even more about what's going on.
I'm not sure about the three year contract wtfamidoinghere, in the recent machinama drama, there seemed to have contract that lasts 6 years! Deppy are not noobs, but what if channelflip offered them more inexchange for a longer contract? Maybe? But seeing there were ppl left every year and most of them were signed up also in 2012/13, i say yearly contract are more likely to be the case.
And thanks princenagi for the knowledge, sorry my ignorance offended you.
in my defense i was misguided by Wikipedia
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:54 pm
by karma_yeah
I made a post over on the tatinoff page but thought I'd share these here as well.
I made a spreadsheet comparing the size of the US tour compared to the UK tour. (I didn't have the names of the UK venues and couldn't look up seating capacity. If someone wants to PM me the information, I'll update the spreadsheets).
It compares the # of shows, # of days touring, and # miles they will drive.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:57 pm
by felucca
We have our very own furry!
Welcome and please accept my offering of Phil comparing Dan to a 'woodland animal' (lol idk it just felt like a good moment to post this)
transcription:
Dan & Phil describing each other for the Summer in the City book
Dan Howell, whose name rhymes with hand towel, bland scowl, and sand owl, was created when a woodland creature had a baby with Liam Payne from one direction. When not procrastinating by eating the entire fridge or staying awake until 6am, he makes youtube videos on the channel danisnotonfire (which was his username back in the lolrandom bebo days.) Before becoming a Youtuber, teenager Dan worked in a DIY shop until one day he sold an axe to an eight year old. Dan’s Greatest Hits include “what not to do at the beach” (where he actually went outside), “sexy internet dating” (where he invited a naked 58 year old man called Manesh to our house), and “what is my life” (where he spent eight minutes pritt-sticking various meat products to his face). I know what you are thinking, “I want some Dan facts!” WELL HERE THEY ARE, JENNY! (I just totally freaked out anyone called Jenny) Dan is scared of trees. Dan eats cinnamon cereal every day (except the days I steal his cereal). I am sat next to Dan now and he said if he could have any dog it would be a Shiba Inu. If you haven’t checked out his videos yet then you are missing out - a LOT. Also you might want to check out his pretty cool friend Phil.
Get his autograph below! or find someone else called Dan and get him to forge it. Just convince yourself it was true.
Ok bye.
- Phil.
Phil Lester is the by-product of two related grandparents and a haircut that was cool in 2006, but that’s okay because he has a lovely personality. His quirky videos and idiosyncratic editing sets him apart from other YouTube vloggers - that and his unique life which seems to attract a worryingly large amount of strange people and situations (which he relives for your enjoyment). If you look at yourself in the mirror and think “wow i am so weird, how do i function?” - Phil’s the guy that teaches you to embrace your individuality.
If you see Phil this weekend, do not be alarmed if his hand is facing backwards towards his pocket in a claw shape, he can’t help it. And he was does not condone irresponsible use of a permanent marker on your face.
I still refuse to believe that Dan and Phil are actually furries. It's Dan's fault though, really, he should have known that the furry jokes would come back to bite him in the ass.
On the "age" topic: The circumstances of how they met read very dodgy imo. The fact is that Dan was an 18 year old boy who just finished school and was in a gap year, not sure what to do with his life (and from tabinof we know he wasn't particularly self efficient yet, remember the grocery store freak out? And that was even later).
Phil was 22(?) and had a uni degree, had lived away from home, had already gone through that first seperation from your parents that makes you a lot more independent and had a large (at the time) youtube following that Dan clearly admired.
And they get friendly and flirty in social media and Phil invites Dan to his house for several nights when his parents are gone.
There's nothing you can say that makes this sound less dodgy in my mind. Even the argument that they skyped a lot before kind of turns into more dodgy details when you see that picture of them skyping where Dan has his hand under his shirt.
The only reason i don't side-eye Phil is their relationship today. Dan seems like a self aware person who thinks a lot about their issues and where they come from and i think if their relationship had been questionable in the past he would realize that now and probably resent Phil. And i can't imagine them working together in that case.
As it is, i think the power difference was never a big deal in their relationship and Phil might have been careful to make sure Dan didn't feel inferior or intimidated.
(And if we assume they are together, and voldy is real (shudder) then that would be proof for me that there was no problem with power. Dan was even the first to kiss Phil.)
All of this. Assuming that they are together, the questionable nature of how they met and one or both of them being closeted from family/non-internet friends was probably the reason they were never very forthcoming about their relationship in the first place. Looking back at the old Formspring answers, ambiguity about their relationship was there from the very beginning and hasn't gone away since.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:05 pm
by swofro
Things have gone wild here since I started having proper sleep schedule.
Re channelfip, I think Dan claiming DaPG is a very smart move, because it prevents them from taking away more money, I guess. Phil is too smart to make a mistake of not reading his contract properly, so I am with team waiting for his contract to end. It's just a waiting game now.
I wish we can have a phil selfie too but phil is not a person who randomly take a selfie, is he? That's more of a Dan personality.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:14 pm
by DryCereal
swofro wrote:Re channelfip, I think Dan claiming DaPG is a very smart move, because it prevents them from taking away more money, I guess. Phil is too smart to make a mistake of not reading his contract properly, so I am with team waiting for his contract to end. It's just a waiting game now.
This. I can see Dan preferring shorter-term contracts, and Phil maybe being a little bit more relaxed about it.
That said, I swear to all that is holy within the Phandom, if they wait it out just to sign up with another company I expect demand one of you VIP TATINOF-ers take in a rolled-up newspaper and bop them both on the head with it.
Maybe we'll get some tweets sometime soon. Why I bother getting up in the morning when my three fave guys (my partner comes before D&P, honest!) are all GMT-5, I don't know...!
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:31 pm
by Kathrynxjane
Just watching IDB like this today (and with nothing to add!)
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
swofro wrote:Re channelfip, I think Dan claiming DaPG is a very smart move, because it prevents them from taking away more money, I guess. Phil is too smart to make a mistake of not reading his contract properly, so I am with team waiting for his contract to end. It's just a waiting game now.
This. I can see Dan preferring shorter-term contracts, and Phil maybe being a little bit more relaxed about it.
That said, I swear to all that is holy within the Phandom, if they wait it out just to sign up with another company I expect demand one of you VIP TATINOF-ers take in a rolled-up newspaper and bop them both on the head with it.
Maybe we'll get some tweets sometime soon. Why I bother getting up in the morning when my three fave guys (my partner comes before D&P, honest!) are all GMT-5, I don't know...!
MAYBE THEY ARE JOINING GLEAM! Could you imagine the uproar if that happened.
But anway, Dan claiming DAPG is very smart especially as they do most of their #SPON through DAPG (And they have got the contact now to not worry about not getting them Social Point Spon ) . They wouldn't want CF to get that sponsorship money.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:41 pm
by DryCereal
Kathrynxjane wrote:Just watching IDB like this today (and with nothing to add!)
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
swofro wrote:Re channelfip, I think Dan claiming DaPG is a very smart move, because it prevents them from taking away more money, I guess. Phil is too smart to make a mistake of not reading his contract properly, so I am with team waiting for his contract to end. It's just a waiting game now.
This. I can see Dan preferring shorter-term contracts, and Phil maybe being a little bit more relaxed about it.
That said, I swear to all that is holy within the Phandom, if they wait it out just to sign up with another company I expect demand one of you VIP TATINOF-ers take in a rolled-up newspaper and bop them both on the head with it.
Maybe we'll get some tweets sometime soon. Why I bother getting up in the morning when my three fave guys (my partner comes before D&P, honest!) are all GMT-5, I don't know...!
MAYBE THEY ARE JOINING GLEAM! Could you imagine the uproar if that happened.
Honestly, I cannot conceive of a world where that would happen. Nor do I want to. Total mental BSOD/SadMac right there.
As for the age difference/Phil being a creepy older guy thing:
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:46 pm
by phamnotof
re: the being a buy one get one kind of a deal: now, I'd agree with that, but under the assumption that these contracts would have been signed in 2012 as people have been suggesting - that's a whole thing entirely. They were barely ever on each other's channels compared to now, Dan had all those "we're not a double act we're two idviduals who sometimes work together" moments (and I'm making him sound far less angry than he did, but then it was 2012, so you can imagine) - so it would hardly be a surprise to me if they negotiated their contracts separately. Dan'd have also been the most subscribed channel then, so there's another reason why his contract might have been better.
Or it's a matter of Phil being signed for a longer time than Dan, since he's been on YT longer. Idk. But if they signed the same contracts at the same time, it wouldn't make much sense for one to end before the other.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:47 pm
by swofro
Kathrynxjane wrote:Just watching IDB like this today (and with nothing to add!)
IckleMissMayhem wrote:
swofro wrote:Re channelfip, I think Dan claiming DaPG is a very smart move, because it prevents them from taking away more money, I guess. Phil is too smart to make a mistake of not reading his contract properly, so I am with team waiting for his contract to end. It's just a waiting game now.
This. I can see Dan preferring shorter-term contracts, and Phil maybe being a little bit more relaxed about it.
That said, I swear to all that is holy within the Phandom, if they wait it out just to sign up with another company I expect demand one of you VIP TATINOF-ers take in a rolled-up newspaper and bop them both on the head with it.
Maybe we'll get some tweets sometime soon. Why I bother getting up in the morning when my three fave guys (my partner comes before D&P, honest!) are all GMT-5, I don't know...!
MAYBE THEY ARE JOINING GLEAM! Could you imagine the uproar if that happened.
But anway, Dan claiming DAPG is very smart especially as they do most of their #SPON through DAPG (And they have got the contact now to not worry about not getting them Social Point Spon ) . They wouldn't want CF to get that sponsorship money.
But Gleam is a management company like flipside isn't it? Gleamers network are StyleHaul(?) So, no for them
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:56 pm
by DryCereal
Somehow this seems relevant.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:01 pm
by hunnyftw
karma_yeah, than you for that spreadsheet. We all knew that the US tour is ginormous, but somehow seeing all these numbers really brought it home to me. How the hell will they cope with it?
I can't imagine it not taking its toll on their health and relationship with each other. If by the end of it they don't get completely sick of each other to me it will be set in stone that their relationship is just UNbreakable
I find the whole ChannelFlip situation fascinating really, and can't wait till we get more information and better understanding of it. For now I just try to have complete faith in boys and their ability to make smart business decisions. For all we know, they usually do. fingers crossed
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:01 pm
by akui
phamnotof wrote:re: the being a buy one get one kind of a deal: now, I'd agree with that, but under the assumption that these contracts would have been signed in 2012 as people have been suggesting - that's a whole thing entirely. They were barely ever on each other's channels compared to now, Dan had all those "we're not a double act we're two idviduals who sometimes work together" moments (and I'm making him sound far less angry than he did, but then it was 2012, so you can imagine) - so it would hardly be a surprise to me if they negotiated their contracts separately. Dan'd have also been the most subscribed channel then, so there's another reason why his contract might have been better.
Or it's a matter of Phil being signed for a longer time than Dan, since he's been on YT longer. Idk. But if they signed the same contracts at the same time, it wouldn't make much sense for one to end before the other.
True, deppy joining channelflip must've happend after they left my damn channel, which according to their last sap update, was dec 2012, that means they joined cf early 2013.
Am I right? Someone mentioned other agencies I can't remember, correct me if i'm wrong
btw what do you guys think if they join some proper talent agency with real fancy celebrities? Would they take deppy? would you guys like to see that happen?
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:07 pm
by Catallena
About Phil's contract. (Why the hell do I remember this??)
A few days after Phil hit the 1 million mark in 2013, a ChannelFlip employee by the name of Susi Weaver came over and gave him gifts in the form of lots of ice cream.
Phil tweeted about it:
And here's Susi Weaver's picture of the ice cream. Same date.
Before that she tweeted this:
Popular speculation at the time was that it was Phil who had to sign a new contract.
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:12 pm
by SquishPhan
hunnyftw wrote:karma_yeah, than you for that spreadsheet. We all knew that the US tour is ginormous, but somehow seeing all these numbers really brought it home to me. How the hell will they cope with it?
I can't imagine it not taking its toll on their health and relationship with each other. If by the end of it they don't get completely sick of each other to me it will be set in stone that their relationship is just UNbreakable
I find the whole ChannelFlip situation fascinating really, and can't wait till we get more information and better understanding of it. For now I just try to have complete faith in boys and their ability to make smart business decisions. For all we know, they usually do. fingers crossed
Same. I think if I had to spend time with someone for that long on a bus, I might kill them. If they are still not sick of each other after this, I don't see when they would be.
And yes so far they have been really smart about it all, so I trust that they are handling it well.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:18 pm
by phamnotof
Catallena wrote:About Phil's contract. (Why the hell do I remember this??)
A few days after Phil hit the 1 million mark in 2013, a ChannelFlip employee by the name of Susi Weaver came over and gave him gifts in the form of lots of ice cream.
Phil tweeted about it:
And here's Susi Weaver's picture of the ice cream. Same date.
Before that she tweeted this:
Popular speculation at the time was that it was Phil who had to sign a new contract.
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
Ohhh, you know, this makes sense at least as far as their separate channels go. If they offered (even yearly that would after that always be renewed) new contracts after the 1kk mark, Dan's would have run out this February, meaning he'd be free to do as he pleases. And DnPGames hit 1kk last March, so even if the same rules applied (they probably wouldn't), that yearly one would have ended as well by now.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:20 pm
by SquishPhan
phamnotof wrote:
Catallena wrote:About Phil's contract. (Why the hell do I remember this??)
A few days after Phil hit the 1 million mark in 2013, a ChannelFlip employee by the name of Susi Weaver came over and gave him gifts in the form of lots of ice cream.
Phil tweeted about it:
And here's Susi Weaver's picture of the ice cream. Same date.
Before that she tweeted this:
Popular speculation at the time was that it was Phil who had to sign a new contract.
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
Ohhh, you know, this makes sense at least as far as their separate channels go. If they offered (even yearly that would after that always be renewed) new contracts after the 1kk mark, Dan's would have run out this February, meaning he'd be free to do as he pleases. And DnPGames hit 1kk last March, so even if the same rules applied (they probably wouldn't), that yearly one would have ended as well by now.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Thanks for the information.
I agree that it would make sense if it is being played out like this. I guess we won't know for sure until July, but so far I'm going with this theory.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:24 pm
by trashqueen
Catallena wrote:About Phil's contract. (Why the hell do I remember this??)
A few days after Phil hit the 1 million mark in 2013, a ChannelFlip employee by the name of Susi Weaver came over and gave him gifts in the form of lots of ice cream.
Phil tweeted about it:
And here's Susi Weaver's picture of the ice cream. Same date.
Before that she tweeted this:
Popular speculation at the time was that it was Phil who had to sign a new contract.
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
that's after the tour right? that's convenient, they will probs have more time to deal with legal shit then
do you all think this might have something to do with what Dan said about their plans for the rest of the year being 'up in the air'
(also i love how we all collectively remember the most random details and how that proves to be useful from time to time)
about deppy joining a proper talent agency*: i would love to see that happen, i'm all for seeing them go from youtube power couple to mainstream power couple
*ik channelflip is their network and not their management, i have a question though, could they leave channelflip and still be part of flipside? how would that work? what would change for them? i know what a network and a management do but it still seems very interconnected imo
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:24 pm
by karma_yeah
hunnyftw wrote:karma_yeah, than you for that spreadsheet. We all knew that the US tour is ginormous, but somehow seeing all these numbers really brought it home to me. How the hell will they cope with it?
I can't imagine it not taking its toll on their health and relationship with each other. If by the end of it they don't get completely sick of each other to me it will be set in stone that their relationship is just UNbreakable fingers crossed
You're welcome!
It's so hard to comprehend the sheer size of the US if you don't live here. And it is mind boggling. The state I live in is bigger than the UK and I wouldn't want to drive across it (10 hours). When I was looking at their schedule I couldn't help but wonder about their sanity if they were giving themselves enough time just to get from show to show literally with set-up and tear-down, traffic, weather, getting lost, etc., and started looking up some of the distances.
I was also wondering how much they might make (really, not my business, but for science ya know?) so I was looking at the seating capacity of the venues. One thing led to another, and before I knew it, it was a full blown comparison.
Let's hope being in a bus is easier than being in a car for Phil, or I don't see how he can make it. If they survive this, mentally, physically, emotionally and as a couple, all I can say is
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:26 pm
by whoknows
wtfamidoinghere wrote:
There's nothing you can say that makes this sound less dodgy in my mind. Even the argument that they skyped a lot before kind of turns into more dodgy details when you see that picture of them skyping where Dan has his hand under his shirt.
erm my profile pic sorry
The CF thing is interesting,maybe thats why they didn't answer an email from someone here about an internship last year. I kind of hope DP are doing their own thing now and maybe Phil could manage some smaller yters. He seems to get the business side and he is known and respected so why not. Keep making that money for the koi pond and house guys.
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:26 pm
by Anonymousse
Catallena wrote:
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
Will do. *makes a mental note*
(ls tho pls)
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:40 pm
by hunnyftw
karma_yeah wrote:When I was looking at their schedule I couldn't help but wonder about their sanity if they were giving themselves enough time
that's what I was wondering as well but didn't want to spell it out
The July theory sounds really good. Let's wait and see
Re: Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:41 pm
by akui
trashqueen wrote:
Catallena wrote:
About Phil's contract. (Why the hell do I remember this??)
A few days after Phil hit the 1 million mark in 2013, a ChannelFlip employee by the name of Susi Weaver came over and gave him gifts in the form of lots of ice cream.
Phil tweeted about it:
And here's Susi Weaver's picture of the ice cream. Same date.
Before that she tweeted this:
Popular speculation at the time was that it was Phil who had to sign a new contract.
Now if Dan and Phil were both offered new contracts at the point they hit 1 million, Dan has already passed that date. If it was a 3 year contract, he'd be free to leave and do whatever he wanted. I'd keep an eye out on July, that would be when Phil's potential contract could be up.
that's after the tour right? that's convenient, they will probs have more time to deal with legal shit then
do you all think this might have something to do with what Dan said about their plans for the rest of the year being 'up in the air'
(also i love how we all collectively remember the most random details and how that proves to be useful from time to time)
about deppy joining a proper talent agency*: i would love to see that happen, i'm all for seeing them go from youtube power couple to mainstream power couple
*ik channelflip is their network and not their management, i have a question though, could they leave channelflip and still be part of flipside? how would that work? what would change for them? i know what a network and a management do but it still seems very interconnected imo
Thanks a lot Catallena
Flipside is just a division under channelflip, but they should have different kind of contract for deppy to sign since they do different business so they don't interfere with each other. (Sign channelflip as channel owener and sign flipside as talents?) Flipside was founded Sep 2014, that means deppy passed their one year contract already, they seem to be still with them, so if they leave flipside that will be this september.
) . They wouldn't want CF to get that sponsorship money.
