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Lurktacularr wrote: I'm usually Dan all the way, but when I see Phil just being Phil (low voice, normal smiling, being generally tactile and a warm person - usually in the background of other people's vlogs) I just wanna put a ring on it. So fit, and so very fanciable. Shame he's usually so CBeebies in front of the camera.

I wonder if he does do it on purpose cos he know he fine

Lurktacularr wrote:

kuensukki wrote:Okay are they walking around boston? How do they always hang out together?? I would go crazy they are already cuddling on the buses all day but are also never seen apart! These boys are serious relationship goals- they enjoy each other's company too much

I have a thing for windswept British boys

Oh my god. The RIGHT SIDE OF HIS FACE. NO PEACE SIGN. NO DOGE. AND HE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.

I'd be so happy if that was my pic. Its like a rare piece in the vast collection of Deppy selfies.

Also I'm pages past it now but I think it was hunnyftw who said AmazingPhil does all this mugging cos he knows Phil Lester is hot as fuck (spesh in the dad!phan photo) and it needs toning down for his content vibe. Like I know you were at least partially joking but its accurate as fuck whether he does it on purpose or not.

I'm usually Dan all the way, but when I see Phil just being Phil (low voice, normal smiling, being generally tactile and a warm person - usually in the background of other people's vlogs) I just wanna put a ring on it. So fit, and so very fanciable. Shame he's usually so CBeebies in front of the camera.

I wonder if he does do it on purpose cos he know he fine

kuensukki wrote:Okay are they walking around boston? How do they always hang out together?? I would go crazy they are already cuddling on the buses all day but are also never seen apart! These boys are serious relationship goals- they enjoy each other's company too much

Lurktacularr wrote: Also I'm pages past it now but I think it was hunnyftw who said AmazingPhil does all this mugging cos he knows Phil Lester is hot as fuck (spesh in the dad!phan photo) and it needs toning down for his content vibe.

Diyes_Celine wrote:

kuensukki wrote:Okay are they walking around boston? How do they always hang out together?? I would go crazy they are already cuddling on the buses all day but are also never seen apart! These boys are serious relationship goals- they enjoy each other's company too much

Someone mentioned before that they might get fed-up of each other because of the tour. But it is definitely not the case. D&P, you do know you can hang-out with your crew, right?

aralik wrote:

Diyes_Celine wrote:

kuensukki wrote:Okay are they walking around boston? How do they always hang out together?? I would go crazy they are already cuddling on the buses all day but are also never seen apart! These boys are serious relationship goals- they enjoy each other's company too much

Someone mentioned before that they might get fed-up of each other because of the tour. But it is definitely not the case. D&P, you do know you can hang-out with your crew, right?

i get the feeling from the crew's social media that's been posted here that don't hang out with the crew, like at all. at first i was like, are they acting all we're the main act and we do our own thing and don't mix in with the "crew" people but then i thought that the show and the m&g are really hard (i'd never be able to handle so much social interaction) and tiring (kinda wanna say soul-suckingly so) serious business that i can imagine in-between shows they wanna hang out just as they would back home to kinda have at least that familiar face/bff/bf/anchor part of the home routine they cannot have on tour

Lurktacularr wrote:

Lurktacularr wrote: Also I'm pages past it now but I think it was hunnyftw who said AmazingPhil does all this mugging cos he knows Phil Lester is hot as fuck (spesh in the dad!phan photo) and it needs toning down for his content vibe.

Sorry, just realised it was starlight-still who said this. hunnyftw I remember nodding hard at you saying being relatable is something other people decide for you and so I confused myself and roped you into my thirst, apologies

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Philena wrote:

sunday wrote:

Dan's popularity is just astonishing to me. 8 minutes in, and that stupid tweet had 15.5k retweets.

SquishPhan wrote:

sunday wrote:

What a great tweet...

l8er_sk8er wrote:edit: And this is Jack's tweet. Tom and MatPat on rhe photo. I'm confused.

Bassoonage wrote:

Spotted at :50 and 1:05 in bfvsgf's vlog. I think Dan is saying hi to Joey. I can't find them in the taco challenge.

Bassoonage wrote:

Hey I've lurked since this website was born and finally posted. Hello everyone. I too am a middle aged nose pervert.

Anyways I found this video by Emma Blackery this morning and thought that while you are all waiting for vlogs we can talk about this problematic person. She talks about how she thought people were "gay baiting" at 6:39 and at 11:50 talks about how she and a friend (we all know about this interaction) talked about Dan and Phil.

Personally I think she's in it for the subs. But that's just me.

Also I hope I embedded correctly.

The Emma Blackery File

Who is Emma Blackery?
Basically, Emma is a former dangirl turned popular youtuber [YouTube]. To the phandom she is one of those extremely polarizing persons, that some people like a lot and others utterly despise, and all the opinions inbetween. However, most people who know the first thing about Emma's history with Dan and Phil will agree that the relationship's been problematic at best - and even Emma herself has admitted to being out of line. Let's take a look at why.

Dan & Phil interacting with Emma
For starters, it's worth noting that everything that's ever actually happened (publicly) between these three happened in 2013. Dan and Phil haven't (publicly) interacted with Emma before or after, that I'm aware.

March and May 2013 saw Dan mentioning Emma twice:

Chat: Do a video with Emma Blackery!
Dan: ....probably not.

Chat: Do you know Emma Blackery?
Dan: Of course I do! I met her once, at the creator space in London and she was really nice, with a fantastically bright hair colour like Hayley Williams.

[Note: The charlieskies twitter bullying Emma took part of happened mainly in June-July 2013]

In July 2013 they collabed with her during YouTube Geek Week, filming this video:

[Phil's tweet from when they filmed the video.] [Phil took a selfie with Emma at the set. ]

In September 2013 Emma and Dan both got to meet Placebo [picture] and Emma persuaded Dan to follow her on Twitter [http://teneightymagazine.com/2015/08/29 ... in/]source].

Dan unfollowed Emma on Twitter 11 Nov 2013 on her birthday.
Phil unfollowed Emma on Twitter 15 Jan 2014.
[picture]

And that's it, from their side.

A brief history of everything
Back when Emma first started out as a youtuber she used to tweet Dan a lot and try to get his attention (2012-2013). It didn't work out. With time (2013) she grew frustrated and started being mean instead - talking shit about Dan on Twitter and for example taking an active part in charlieskies' twitter bullying of Dan in 2013. (Which was in June-July, so good thing Dan didn't follow her on Twitter until September I guess.) In comparison 2014 was a calm year, but still with its incidents. 2015 was a strange year with Emma throwing around A LOT of shade, then apologising for it and saying she's a changed woman who's seen the error of her ways, just to keep throwing more shade right after, apologising again, throwing more shade, apologising... and so on and so forth for the better part of the year. 2016 so far she's back to being a changed woman.

In Emma's own words
Now, all of this is no secret - Emma herself has acknowledged this behaviour many, many times and expressed regret for acting this way. Here's Emma talking about Dan in an interview for Teneighty Magazine in 2015:

http://teneightymagazine.com/2015/08/29 ... de-within/

In fact, it’s this moment we begin to talk about some of her outbursts on Twitter, which she believes has done damage to many of her relationships within the YouTube community. “Speaking my mind is easy. Dealing with the consequences is the difficult part,” Emma states.

One example of this, is how things went down with Dan Howell. “He was one of the first YouTubers I watched, and naturally I really looked up to him,” says Emma. “I had this silly idea that one day I would collab with him, and as I was getting bigger and bigger, I kept messaging him and he never replied.”

This led to Emma becoming resentful and eventually badmouthing him on social media. “I was hurt,” she says, “but I know now that it all came from a rather silly and somewhat selfish place.”

However, that wasn’t the end of it. The pair crossed paths when Emma had the opportunity to interview Placebo – her favourite band – and she admits feeling a whirlwind of emotions. “I felt nervous, angry and excited all at once,” she says, “but overall I felt embarrassed for the things I said online. I went over and apologised profusely, and then my inner fangirl kicked in and I, sort of, cornered him into following me on Twitter.”

There was a moment in particular that helped her to see how she sometimes comes across on social media. When Dan eventually unfollowed her, he DM’ed her explaining that he had no hard feelings but would prefer to avoid seeing drama on his Twitter feed. “I get it. I sometimes feel that way too, and in the past I haven’t been able to stop myself getting involved,” says Emma.

“I still really respect Dan. He was a massive influence on my channel,” she says. “It’s only now that I realised how irritating I’ve been along the way. I acted out of hurt when he did nothing intentionally.”

Emma hopes that one day he may look past how she acted, but also gets why he – and others – may want to keep her at arm’s length. “ I don’t know if I’ll ever have the opportunity to make it right, but all I care about is for him to know I’m sorry,” she reflects.

(Note: Not wanting to see drama on his timeline was Dan's excuse for unfollowing charlieskies too.)

And here's a post Emma made on her own Guru Gossip thread in 2015:

(Dan & Phil part only)


Full post:


Confirmation it was really her:


In 2016 she talked about her support of the charlieskies twitter bullying on her main channel (11:49):

"I used to laugh along with a friend who was really nasty to Dan and Phil. I used to think it was fun to sort of show tweets of support to that and, and feed off that drama, that's what I used to do, I used to be like that. And looking at it now I'm not even that person now, it's weird that that's me I don't, I don't think in those negative ways anymore."

In the words of screenshots

2012
just your typical phandom tweets tbh, y'all know how it is


2013
post-fangirl stage
[insert the charlie twitter drama stuff]

2014
post-post-fangirl stage








2015
regrets, apologies and shade about books and tours

In 2015 Emma threw around A LOT of shade about youtubers writing books and going on tours. Some of it sounded suspiciously like it was about Dan & Phil specifically - firstly because of her timing (often right after they announced something new) and secondly because of the details (mentioning specific prices that just happened to be the exact price D&P took for the same thing). Though obviously she could have been talking about someone else or no one in specific, too ( ).


Did this happen after D&P announced their tour? Answer: Yes.



Did Dan & Phil's book go for that price? Answer: Yes.

"I don't like when youtubers plug it as if to say like, you know - 'you must buy this book because there's stuff in here you've never seen.' ... That kind of blackmail like, you know... 'What really happened on this holiday' or 'How I really feel about this stuff', and if you haven't got that book you feel like less of a fan and that bugs me. If you've got something to say about yourself - put it in a fucking video, alright?"

"What really happened on this holiday", you didn't by any chance mean "What really happened in Vegas"?

2015
general inability to stop poking the hornet's nest






Copying Dan?
This is a topic that comes up a lot seeing as some people have accused Emma of copying Dan since the moment she started Youtube, basically. It is up to each and everyone's own interpretation what they think.

A recent example would be them both making a meme video at the start of 2016:

^ video by http://elecocochoco.tumblr.com go check 'em out

Dan made his video "The Top Dan Howell Memes of 2015" from pictures his fans had already created and spread around of their own free will.
Emma made her video "I AM A MEME" after asking her fans to edit one of her pictures, deleting the post where she asked for this help before uploading the video, and then preteding in the video like this all happened spontaneously because she's such a meme.


GOOD NEWS THOUGH!
Emma is no longer cringe af as of 2016.


jsyk

aralik wrote:

bedhead91 wrote:

Bassoonage wrote:

Hey I've lurked since this website was born and finally posted. Hello everyone. I too am a middle aged nose pervert.

Anyways I found this video by Emma Blackery this morning and thought that while you are all waiting for vlogs we can talk about this problematic person. She talks about how she thought people were "gay baiting" at 6:39 and at 11:50 talks about how she and a friend (we all know about this interaction) talked about Dan and Phil.

Personally I think she's in it for the subs. But that's just me.

Also I hope I embedded correctly.

[offtopic]I have no time for Emma Blackery anymore, but is it just me, or has she been looking really good lately? I'd be so attracted to her if it weren't for the things that come out of her mouth.[/offtopic]

[offtopic]shake it off bedhead!!! you can do cuter ones than that [/offtopic]

kuensukki wrote:Okay they look like two sexy dads (not in a kinky way) here! I wonder if they did the Rachel ray cooking challenge because they were in the background of the snapchats!

felucca wrote:And the prize for the BEST obnoxious emoji tweet goes to.......

You tell him, John!

yupitsme wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:

kuensukki wrote:Okay they look like two sexy dads (not in a kinky way) here! I wonder if they did the Rachel ray cooking challenge because they were in the background of the snapchats!

They do kind of look like dads in this picture. In the future I'm sure they will be great dads.

Is Dan wearing shorts in this though? We don't see that very often

felucca wrote:And the prize for the BEST obnoxious emoji tweet goes to.......

You tell him, John!

uglyamerican wrote:

yupitsme wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:

kuensukki wrote:Okay they look like two sexy dads (not in a kinky way) here! I wonder if they did the Rachel ray cooking challenge because they were in the background of the snapchats!

They do kind of look like dads in this picture. In the future I'm sure they will be great dads.

Is Dan wearing shorts in this though? We don't see that very often

So is Phil I think. And they appear to be real American type shorts, not those creepy Capri pants / clam diggers that Europeans seem to find fashionable

Forgot to add that the pix was probably taken in Florida earlier this month, judging by the palm trees, and the fact it's like 45F in Boston today..

Ablissa wrote: This is why I love their vlogs or cameos in other people's vlogs. I love seeing the real Dan and Phil. Real smiles, real voices. I wish they made more vloggy videos on top of their usual content. I've seen that short LessAmazingPhil video where Phil makes Dan cringe so many times and it still makes me happy.

alittledizzy wrote:

Ablissa wrote: This is why I love their vlogs or cameos in other people's vlogs. I love seeing the real Dan and Phil. Real smiles, real voices. I wish they made more vloggy videos on top of their usual content. I've seen that short LessAmazingPhil video where Phil makes Dan cringe so many times and it still makes me happy.

The LAP ones are my absolute favorite. They're warm towards each other in a way they seem intimidated away from in longer DITL vlogs or even when they're in other people's vlogs usually. (The other instance of that immediately coming to my mind is Dan's instagram video from Japan, or the occasional blooper-like moments that got left in SAP videos or like after the Japan haul.)

Also I'm firmly on the side of Phil looking fine as fuck lately. I'm not overly attracted to men and ultimately I something out of thinking of him with Dan that I never would thinking of him with myself, but something about him when he drops those silly expressions and smiles at the camera and looks like himself, like an almost-thirty man posing for a picture with his fiance boyfriend partner Dan... it just makes my tummy squirm in that lovely slightly infatuated way.