Dan & Phil Part 38: Everlasting as the Sun

[alittledizzy]

O/T but I was thinking about the Boncas and how the awards were decided on by fellow creators and I've wondered about how it came about that Phil won creator of the year.

I love Phil so I'm not questioning him actually winning but it got me curious about his relationship with other youtubers. We see Dan being mentioned and teased constantly but people hesitate to mock Phil which makes me wonder if it's that he is highly respected or if he keeps to himself more.

BONCAS were actually a mix of public voting categories and peer-decided categories. Creator of the Year was a public voting thing, so that means more fans voted Phil than anyone else. Collab was also voted on by the public.

But I think Film of the Year was peer-voted, which tells me that their peers at least respect the work that went into TATINOF.

[dans left hand]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

[SexyTrashCan]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

For me it's always been clear they love each other but never been quite sure if it was still in a best friends way or a romantic way, slightly swayed to romantic by a few things I've seen (like the cactus thing etc)... but yeah this year, are they even trying to hide it?

[SexyTrashCan]

...Or adding on, in gamingmas either.


Just noticed in the who wants to be a millionaire video Dan's hand touches a very suspicious place at 4:53, naughty Danny

[Ticia]

Dan and Phil do not appear in this year's Shorty Awards Nominees list

[papierklemmen]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

Dan and Phil do not appear in this year's Shorty Awards Nominees list

their list is missing a lot of youtubers, esp british ones.

[SexyTrashCan]

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

For some reason I burst out laughing at "straight brodudes"

[anathema]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

YES! Though I'm one to lean on the side of "there's a good chance they're together," I agree with all of this, especially the part in bold. Though their recent recent behavior certainly shows they're more comfortable acting more naturally in front of the camera, it does not prove anything about the nature of their relationship.

Honestly my thoughts exactly. Just some of the little things like Phil leaning on Dan,

Since when does this prove anything? Dan has leaned into other people multiple times in videos.

then mirroring him,

Mirroring only proves they have a close relationship, not anything about the nature of that relationship.

Dan indirectly calling Phil family in a livestream,

Close friends can be considered family.

the fact I can't imagine a totally platonic buddy buying you a signed naked picture of a guy for your birthday and you getting it front of your entire family,

People get other people "dirty" presents all the time. In fact, wouldn't it make more sense for Phil to receive a photo of a shirtless guy from a friend, not a partner (who has said himself he gets very jealous)? Also, we have no proof that Phil got it in front of his family. Even if he did, what difference would it make?

and honestly so many cute Deppy moments barely 2 months into this year.

Again, just because there are cute moments doesn't mean the moments prove anything.

Like I said, I tend to lean more on the side of "they're together" rather that not. I just really hate it when people act like things are "proof" when they aren't. Cute moments, yeah, and sometimes they're cuter when imagining them in a romantic context, but they don't prove anything.

[starlight-still]

Okay, okay...“Freeze Ray” is my favorite Sims video since

Tabitha’s first abduction last year.

First of all...Dan just lets Phil be. It wasn’t too long ago that we were talking about that straight man/banana (especially in light of his tweet today, heh) man thing that they were on for so long, where whenever Phil said anything remotely off color Dan would be like “Phil………. mate wot” ::goofy look at the camera:: Now the man is free to unleash whatever crosses his wacky lil mind on the world. You can still see him look at Dan after saying something a few times, but Dan just rolls with it. I think it's a positive change. It also makes me wonder how well they actually bounce off each other when both of them are at full force. Phil's mind works a mile a minute with its bizarre associations and film references while Dan's all over the popular culture and socio-political realms- when they can meet in the middle, it'll be something magical.

The editing is on point. The Sims videos have been getting snappier lately and it was particularly noticeable with this one. I think someone on here said before that Dan’s the one who does most of the editing for the gaming channel? Well, Gamingmas may have been trial by fire but he’s come out the other end stronger for it. I actually think this is part of why we see less of Dan reacting to Phil; those reactions were a few seconds each and didn’t add all that much to the video.

And it’s just loads of fun. As happy as I am for Dil and Tabs and now little Dab, it’s kinda nice to get back into daily life minus the schmaltz of Major Life Events (not that I didn’t adore the wedding, the pregnancy, the birth, etc.). They’re also getting to show more of the humor the game’s had going for it since its early days.

P.S.- I know I’m not the only one who likes Phil’s natural speaking voice. You know, the kinda low, mumbly one?

P.P.S.- I have a (crack) theory that Phil changes what he wears/his eye color to match his temperament. Blue is the more innocent AP-like personality, green is polite and charming, and gray is saucy and sociable. And in this video his eyes were super gray

[flarequake]

Ooh, interesting thoughts, starlight-still

Their editing on all their videos lately has stepped up a few notches, more effects everywhere etc. The pace is more subtle perhaps, I don't think I realise how much is editing and how much was their snappy style of talking.

Dan letting Phil be rather than making out he's so weird all the time is a good point, I'd kinda noticed it less explicitly. Phil's been so sharp and funny for a while now, I love it.

Love the idea about him wearing different colour tshirts on purpose, I've certainly noticed his eyes changing to match blue, green and grey tops, but that's another level could be true, though, who knows.

With you on his deep voice. Tbh I'm not sure I noticed in this video, but his deep voice, especially singing, gives me life. I'd be on the floor if he ever recorded an album to show it off, I have a headcanon for him being an oldstyle crooner.

[SexyTrashCan]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

YES! Though I'm one to lean on the side of "there's a good chance they're together," I agree with all of this, especially the part in bold. Though their recent recent behavior certainly shows they're more comfortable acting more naturally in front of the camera, it does not prove anything about the nature of their relationship.

Honestly my thoughts exactly. Just some of the little things like Phil leaning on Dan,

Since when does this prove anything? Dan has leaned into other people multiple times in videos.

then mirroring him,

Mirroring only proves they have a close relationship, not anything about the nature of that relationship.

Dan indirectly calling Phil family in a livestream,

Close friends can be considered family.

the fact I can't imagine a totally platonic buddy buying you a signed naked picture of a guy for your birthday and you getting it front of your entire family,

People get other people "dirty" presents all the time. In fact, wouldn't it make more sense for Phil to receive a photo of a shirtless guy from a friend, not a partner (who has said himself he gets very jealous)? Also, we have no proof that Phil got it in front of his family. Even if he did, what difference would it make?

and honestly so many cute Deppy moments barely 2 months into this year.

Again, just because there are cute moments doesn't mean the moments prove anything.

Like I said, I tend to lean more on the side of "they're together" rather that not. I just really hate it when people act like things are "proof" when they aren't. Cute moments, yeah, and sometimes they're cuter when imagining them in a romantic context, but they don't prove anything.

Not trying to force opinions on anyone or call it proof ^.^, just my thoughts, disagree if you like

[coffeepenguin]

the fact I can't imagine a totally platonic buddy buying you a signed naked picture of a guy for your birthday and you getting it front of your entire family,

People get other people "dirty" presents all the time. In fact, wouldn't it make more sense for Phil to receive a photo of a shirtless guy from a friend, not a partner (who has said himself he gets very jealous)? Also, we have no proof that Phil got it in front of his family. Even if he did, what difference would it make?

I'm on my mobile, hope I quoted everyone right
not an anti by a long shot, but I really want to take this opportunity to remember that time when Martin Freeman received for his birthday from his buddy Simon Pegg an oil painting of naked Benedict Cumberbatch riding a unicorn, and I'm pretty sure neither of them is in a relationship with any of the other two so, yeah, the picture in itself for me doesn't mean anything (the fact that they didn't tell us about it right away - and why it was deemed "inappropriate" - might, on the other hand, but more so about Phil not being straight, than about Deppy's relationship, in my opinion. I actually think - wild speculation ahead, proceed with caution! - that Phil is currently doing what Dan started with male attraction mentions and general references to male homosexuality, I just rewatched the Sims video for the second time and all the remarks, like Geoffrey Landgraab one, really stood out for me)

3:13—Hydration reminder #1. Okay but honestly where did this public service announcement come from, what weird inside joke is this??

i like to think it's their way of calling the phandom thirsty.

bless you, this made my day

[starlight-still]

Love the idea about him wearing different colour tshirts on purpose, I've certainly noticed his eyes changing to match blue, green and grey tops, but that's another level could be true, though, who knows.

It'd be hilarious if he did do it on purpose, wouldn't it? Daniel would know exactly where he stood every day in that case merely by looking at Phil's choice of shirt

With you on his deep voice. Tbh I'm not sure I noticed in this video, but his deep voice, especially singing, gives me life. I'd be on the floor if he ever recorded an album to show it off, I have a headcanon for him being an oldstyle crooner.

His deep voice is lovely but gets even lovelier when it's softer. Like in the Sims video, around 5:44-50 when he's talking about the crumbs and again 15:34-37 with Tabitha's pay. Also, listen (just listen) to the part of "A Sleepness Night with Phil" where he's messing around with Google Maps. You're welcome

Hmmm...that headcanon, now there's a beautiful thought

3:13—Hydration reminder #1. Okay but honestly where did this public service announcement come from, what weird inside joke is this??

i like to think it's their way of calling the phandom thirsty.

Stay thirsty, my friends

[anathema]

if any of you here are an anti-phannie in 2017... i don't know what will convince you.

how about them verbally confirming it will convince me please don't act like not being 100% convinced is some kind of a crime.

i didn't say it was a crime, i just think people obviously have very strange relationships with their platonic friends if they still think dan and phil are just platonic friends at this point lmao.

i was never 100% convinced they were together before the videos this year.

and i've met them irl 3 times.

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

YES! Though I'm one to lean on the side of "there's a good chance they're together," I agree with all of this, especially the part in bold. Though their recent recent behavior certainly shows they're more comfortable acting more naturally in front of the camera, it does not prove anything about the nature of their relationship.

Honestly my thoughts exactly. Just some of the little things like Phil leaning on Dan,

Since when does this prove anything? Dan has leaned into other people multiple times in videos.

then mirroring him,

Mirroring only proves they have a close relationship, not anything about the nature of that relationship.

Dan indirectly calling Phil family in a livestream,

Close friends can be considered family.

the fact I can't imagine a totally platonic buddy buying you a signed naked picture of a guy for your birthday and you getting it front of your entire family,

People get other people "dirty" presents all the time. In fact, wouldn't it make more sense for Phil to receive a photo of a shirtless guy from a friend, not a partner (who has said himself he gets very jealous)? Also, we have no proof that Phil got it in front of his family. Even if he did, what difference would it make?

and honestly so many cute Deppy moments barely 2 months into this year.

Again, just because there are cute moments doesn't mean the moments prove anything.

Like I said, I tend to lean more on the side of "they're together" rather that not. I just really hate it when people act like things are "proof" when they aren't. Cute moments, yeah, and sometimes they're cuter when imagining them in a romantic context, but they don't prove anything.

Not trying to force opinions on anyone or call it proof ^.^, just my thoughts, disagree if you like

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel like you were forcing your opinions. It just seemed to me that you were saying all those things were proof because you were saying "how could someone think they're not dating when all these things have happened."

the fact I can't imagine a totally platonic buddy buying you a signed naked picture of a guy for your birthday and you getting it front of your entire family,

People get other people "dirty" presents all the time. In fact, wouldn't it make more sense for Phil to receive a photo of a shirtless guy from a friend, not a partner (who has said himself he gets very jealous)? Also, we have no proof that Phil got it in front of his family. Even if he did, what difference would it make?

I'm on my mobile, hope I quoted everyone right
not an anti by a long shot, but I really want to take this opportunity to remember that time when Martin Freeman received for his birthday from his buddy Simon Pegg an oil painting of naked Benedict Cumberbatch riding a unicorn, and I'm pretty sure neither of them is in a relationship with any of the other two so, yeah, the picture in itself for me doesn't mean anything (the fact that they didn't tell us about it right away - and why it was deemed "inappropriate" - might, on the other hand, but more so about Phil not being straight, than about Deppy's relationship, in my opinion. I actually think - wild speculation ahead, proceed with caution! - that Phil is currently doing what Dan started with male attraction mentions and general references to male homosexuality, I just rewatched the Sims video for the second time and all the remarks, like Geoffrey Landgraab one, really stood out for me)

That's an interesting take on the gift!

[parallel]

On the Phan/anti thing, I've never really considered how they act as any sort of proof with a backbone. Yes, they don't act like the typical straight dudebro beffles, but deppy are atypical in a lot of ways. I think that stronger proof would be looking at the endless evidence for them being together in 2009-2011. Yes, that's dated, but don't you think that they act too close for exes? There's being not like the typical platonic bros and then there's being so far from typical ex behaviour, even if you remain friends with your ex. I guess you could argue FWB, but if they were FWB, that'd already be more than just completely platonic, heterosexual best friends.

More importantly, does it really matter? Whether you're a casual fan or a fulltime stalker, I doubt that the relationship status of two people changes much for you.

P.S.- I know I’m not the only one who likes Phil’s natural speaking voice. You know, the kinda low, mumbly one?

YES. I am so here for that.

On the subject of Phil, can we comment on how he literally has had the EXACT SAME FACE for the past few years? If you showed me a picture of Dan I could probably tell you what year it was in, but I swear that Phil has stopped aging? Or maybe it's just because Dan changes his haircut more; I don't know.

[NoOneWantsATortoise]

What, if anything, do you think about

Martyn checking how sound proof an empty apartment is (instagram video)?

Helping them out in the search for some reason or nah.

[SexyTrashCan]

Not trying to force opinions on anyone or call it proof ^.^, just my thoughts, disagree if you like

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel like you were forcing your opinions. It just seemed to me that you were saying all those things were proof because you were saying "how could someone think they're not dating when all these things have happened."

Not necessarily me saying that but yeah I guess I was implying it but I am fully aware it is not by any means proof just from my perspective makes me think they may have something romantic.

And Phil is an an Adonis confirmed.

[SexyTrashCan]

What, if anything, do you think about

Martyn checking how sound proof an empty apartment is (instagram video)?

Helping them out in the search for some reason or nah.

Interesting, no context either

[dans left hand]

antis

you can't even say moments you find cute and coupley without them getting overly heteronormative and defensive

[anathema]

antis

you can't even say moments you find cute and coupley without them getting overly heteronormative and defensive

This... this isn't directed at me, is it?

What, if anything, do you think about Martyn checking how sound proof an empty apartment is (instagram video)?

Helping them out in the search for some reason or nah

Interesting but I don't think we should be jumping to any conclusions. Also, this maybe be just me, but I am the only one to think that if/when d&p move it'll be into a house, not an apartment? To me they don't seem to be the type of people to live in an apartment their whole life. And I mean, sure they could move after moving this time, but don't you want to move as little as possible? And I know it's super expensive to buy a house in London, but who says they have to stay in London? I think they could definitely live on the outskirts or even in another city. I think the main reason they were staying in London was the radio show, and now they don't have that anymore (cry). So I think they could afford (in both senses of the word) to live somewhere else.

[CallMeAyana]

On the subject of Phil, can we comment on how he literally has had the EXACT SAME FACE for the past few years? If you showed me a picture of Dan I could probably tell you what year it was in, but I swear that Phil has stopped aging? Or maybe it's just because Dan changes his haircut more; I don't know.

What if Phil's actually a vampire, but he doesn't know it?
On the subject of Phan/anti...

who decides which platonic friendships are strange and which are not? that's a bit... . i see the difference in their behavior this year, but the only thing i'm 100% convinced in is that they no longer give much fucks about what people think/suspect/presume their relationship is; however, it still doesn't define what the relationship is exactly. well, i'll agree that certainly no one in 2017 is 100% convinced they're both straight brodudes.

My thoughts, in a nutshell. Anti or not, we can see that they do love each other (whatever that kind of love is), and them being more and more comfortable in front of the camera (we can actually see how much they mirror each other, and how much they're in sync) shows us that they really do care about each other, and how much they care for each other. I've read stuff about mirroring yesterday, and it says that you unconciously do it when you're with a loved one, and seeing how much Deppy mirrors each other... I'll just say that they do love and care for each other... a lot. (I actually mirrored my bestfriend a lot, so... that's nice.)

[apathy]

More importantly, does it really matter? Whether you're a casual fan or a fulltime stalker, I doubt that the relationship status of two people changes much for you.

Honestly, the thing that appeals to me most about their relationship is that it really doesn't matter whether they're romantically involved, because it wouldn't change what we see between them. They're obviously very close and very comfortable with each other. If it's just platonic, that's fantastic. If they confirmed they're together... we'd still pretty much see the same dynamic between them. It doesn't need romance to make it better.

But I'm not not immune to insatiable curiosity either, and I love the discussion and analyses here very much. Never stop.

[captainspacecoat]

so, yeah, the picture in itself for me doesn't mean anything (the fact that they didn't tell us about it right away - and why it was deemed "inappropriate" - might, on the other hand, but more so about Phil not being straight, than about Deppy's relationship, in my opinion. I actually think - wild speculation ahead, proceed with caution! - that Phil is currently doing what Dan started with male attraction mentions and general references to male homosexuality, I just rewatched the Sims video for the second time and all the remarks, like Geoffrey Landgraab one, really stood out for me)

This is a really interesting theory, and I completely agree with you! I thought the same thing watching the sims video, Phil was making sexual/suggestive comments that were specifically referencing m/m relationships in a way that I don't think he would have done a year ago. I think you're onto something tbh

What, if anything, do you think about

Martyn checking how sound proof an empty apartment is (instagram video)?

Helping them out in the search for some reason or nah.

My immediate thought was that he's searching for a new apartment for himself (+ Cornelia, presumably). I doubt he'd post publicly if it was on behalf of Dan and Phil as I'm sure he's aware of how curious the phandom can be.

antis

you can't even say moments you find cute and coupley without them getting overly heteronormative and defensive

I don't know if it's fair to say that people were being "heteronormative and defensive" in this instance tbh. I mean, I'm pretty much 100% convinced that they're together, and there have definitely been instances where people jump to heteronormative conclusions with regards to things that suggest dnp are in a relationship, but in this case I just saw people (who are entitled to disagree that they're together, it hasn't been confirmed) offering up other interpretations of dnp's behaviour, which they're allowed to do. And to be fair, a lot of the stuff that was stated as proof that they're romantically involved (such as leaning on each other in videos) isn't sufficient proof. As much as I think it's sweet, it isn't enough to convince me personally (for me, it's the bigger picture that cements it in my mind) so I can see why others would dispute that

[pastelspectre]

just gonna pop in here an say that i think deppy are very open (wrong word choice probably soz) about their relationship now then they were a year ago. action wise i mean they are, imo. they might be dating, they might not but who knows? i don't really care what their relationship is as long as they're happy and healthy.

[papierklemmen]

antis

you can't even say moments you find cute and coupley without them getting overly heteronormative and defensive

did you even miss that the person who picked apart the cute moments said they believe deppy are a couple? none of what you mentioned (people saying "stop mentioning cute or coupley moments", people getting defensive, people insisiting deppy are straight) happened here, but k sure, "heteronormative antiphannies lolzor". my issue was with you implying that there is solid proof to the point that if you don't believe they're together in 2017 you're some "anti" who will never be convinced, which is an exaggeration of their 2017 openness and cuteness, that's all.