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sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

Dude your attention to detail is so spot-on it's amazing. Betrayed by Phil's socks...
tbh if they're going to lie try to hide that they re-filmed something at least put some effort into it

And Gosh I'm sorry for keeping on about busgate but I couldn't find if it's been talked about already, ... do you think they're making the bed situation a big deal because it was on YTR? Since the doc is so much bigger and more formal than they're used to, they theoretically could reach a wider audience, and they didn't have full creative control, etc. ? Because (from what I've noticed) #busgate type things don't really happen much anymore (like the closest I can think of was their australian video, and that wasn't really big.

I'm not even sure if I made sense, but I kinda wonder how different their YTR documentary is compared to what they would've done on their own.

Edit: NO! why am I on the top of the page this is too much responsibility

tigertatze wrote:

Catallena wrote:The nerve of those two to upload that video to AP and call it their favorite part from the documentary on the day of #Phanniversary though...



Didn't need that kinda negativity in my life today.

I'm honestly just about done with them rn

Add me to the growing list of unhappy fans. Trolling is one thing, busgate on their phanniversary is a little over the top.

#surprisedanddisappointed

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

I posted about this almost two weeks ago and only a couple of people replied *sulks quietly in the corner*
*sigh* I guess it's because we were still keeping everything under spoilers then.

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

*slow clap echoes in an empty room full of crickets*

Still waiting for that tell all book 30 years from now when Dan starts to run out of money because he has too many designer clothes and grand pianos in his Los Angeles mansion on Mount Olympus (after his failed stage career and #phandivorce)

At this point I'm not mad about the lies, I have learned to expect them, I just want to know why, and the truth. I lied to a lot of people for a long time, and it was so draining and stressful. A life of freedom from having to think about what you are going to say to whom is the way to go.

Of course, there is always the idea that they are really just two totally oblivious antisocial single dorks,( who happen to lose important vegas footage and have to refilm bed scenes because the lighting was off or whatever excuse they will pull when confronted on it) but that believability stretches thinner every year.

Someone join me in analyzing 1:58 to 2:12 in the VR 360 video. (pst watch in 1440 if you can, 1080 looks like a potato and 4k is laggy af) This segment of Dan teasing Phil about "fans" being interested in down the shirt action is so different than their normal banter. Usually it's phil making an innuendo and dan blushing, but this time it's Phil getting blushy and flustered. Watching Dan is also interesting because he is very focused on watching Phil, then he says he's not sorry, but his eyes look straight at the camera and he looks kinda embarrassed and fond. Makes me think the "not even sorry" is just a line he spouts automatically since it doesn't match his body language at all. Phil then changes the subject to warm-ups (only because there are no houseplants available)

Pairing this with the bit about phils cute tummy (t was smashing gender roles, I misremembered, but still hes bringing up phils body for no reason.) in the small sutc shirt makes me wonder if Dan is trying to publically boost phils self esteem, or if he notices that more fans are starting to find phil attractive and is playing that angle up on purpose? Or maybe he's just more open about being phil trash #1 lol.

Phew - had to get all the off my chest. I feel free now.

poweredbywords wrote:

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

Dude your attention to detail is so spot-on it's amazing. Betrayed by Phil's socks...
tbh if they're going to lie try to hide that they re-filmed something at least put some effort into it


And Gosh I'm sorry for keeping on about busgate but I couldn't find if it's been talked about already, ... do you think they're making the bed situation a big deal because it was on YTR? Since the doc is so much bigger and more formal than they're used to, they theoretically could reach a wider audience, and they didn't have full creative control, etc. ? Because (from what I've noticed) #busgate type things don't really happen much anymore (like the closest I can think of was their australian video, and that wasn't really big.

I'm not even sure if I made sense, but I kinda wonder how different their YTR documentary is compared to what they would've done on their own.

Edit: NO! why am I on the top of the page this is too much responsibility

Smh it's like they're not even trying to hide it. If they really wanted to look like platonic bros they would pay more attention to detail.

Horton definitely hears two bitch ass liars

I know we aren't voting for the next thread name yet, but I'll be voting for "Horton hears two bitch ass liars".

I think busgate is hilarious. Like, of course Dan didn't sleep in a bunk the whole time while Phil got the room. And of course the Rock Paper Scissors scene is fake. They might have even purposefully made the shots inconsistent to make the whole thing more obviously fake (I like to think so- it adds to joke). And them posting it off-Red literally on phanaversary is just the icing on the cake. Their just trolling and making fun everyone's obsession finding phan proof. It's great. I love it.

manicpixiedreamgirl wrote:I think busgate is hilarious. Like, of course Dan didn't sleep in a bunk the whole time while Phil got the room. And of course the Rock Paper Scissors scene is fake. They might have even purposefully made the shots inconsistent to make the whole thing more obviously fake (I like to think so- it adds to joke). And them posting it off-Red literally on phanaversary is just the icing on the cake. Their just trolling and making fun everyone's obsession finding phan proof. It's great. I love it.

I wouldnt terribly mind if that was the truth (although its a bit harsh when those people are the ones buying merch and tickets and funding your life), I just wish they would come out and say that to our faces. But they can't do that, then need the PHandom to continue watching their videos 50 times in a row so they make money. I almost wish they would just get different jobs and move on with their lives if that is the truth. Shippers will find someone else to analyze, then you don't have to troll or lie or any of that.

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

I noticed this too! Me thinks they refilmed it because when they first filmed it Dan "won", then when Phil said he got the bedroom on twitter they realized it didn't match up with the footage (jk I don't actually think this) (or do I)

Honestly I found this part of the doc super funny, it made me laugh out loud, but I don't understand why they chose to put this up instead of another part of the doc (on today of all days too).

Artdefines06 wrote: Someone join me in analyzing 1:58 to 2:12 in the VR 360 video. (pst watch in 1440 if you can, 1080 looks like a potato and 4k is laggy af) This segment of Dan teasing Phil about "fans" being interested in down the shirt action is so different than their normal banter. Usually it's phil making an innuendo and dan blushing, but this time it's Phil getting blushy and flustered. Watching Dan is also interesting because he is very focused on watching Phil, then he says he's not sorry, but his eyes look straight at the camera and he looks kinda embarrassed and fond. Makes me think the "not even sorry" is just a line he spouts automatically since it doesn't match his body language at all. Phil then changes the subject to warm-ups (only because there are no houseplants available)

I was going to post about this moment as well and comment on this, but also on Phil's facial expression at 1:59 when he's undoing his top button and Dan catcalls him. A little side smirk while looking down. This along with your observation are two expressions/moments we don't see often.

Galactic-Howell wrote: Smh it's like they're not even trying to hide it. If they really wanted to look like platonic bros they would pay more attention to detail.

I'm skeptical about the 'they're just trolling' argument Here's why:

If Dan and Phil are in a relationship, that they've been trying to hide from the fanbase for seven years. They upload the bus tour video to a main channel, so that everyone will see that they are just friends and nothing more. They've picked this date in particular, their 'phanniversary', because uploading a 'we're just friends' statement on this particular date dispels the idea of the phanniversary as something romantic. It works to counteract the idea that this date is of romantic importance to them, and so dispel the idea that they are in a relationship.

Their motivation therefore is not just 'shits and giggles'. It's not just 'trolling'. It's not just to 'watch the phandom chase their tail wondering if phan is real'. It's about something serious. It's about reserving their privacy. It's about stopping the fanbase from knowing that they are in a relationship. It's not just to have a light hearted laugh and a trivial joke and go on a bit of a troll this evening.

If Dan and Phil are not in a relationship, yet their fanbase so desperately want them to be that they've started calling the day they met a 'phanniversary'. If Dan and Phil didn't sleep in the same bed and want to put an end to these rumors. They want people to believe them when they say they are not together. They want to stop people from feeling like they are being lied to every time Dan and Phil say they are single. They want to be honest, and make a statement that they are not together by uploading a video to a main channel which clearly makes them seem like just friends and nothing more.

In this case they are still not doing it for shits and giggles, to have troll, to watch the phandom freak out for fun. It's about something serious. It's about clarifying the truth.

Two possibilities:
It's about clarifying the truth.
It's about concealing the truth.

Either way it's serious. It's for important reasons that mean something. Not shits and giggles and trolling.

I agree that Dan and Phil love trolling us about things. But I just really don't think this is one of those things they would have a light hearted troll about

Catallena wrote:The nerve of those two to upload that video to AP and call it their favorite part from the documentary on the day of #Phanniversary though...



Didn't need that kinda negativity in my life today.

Im Catallena trash

Also JoeAverage Your post literally made me scream in class out of agreement

(the newcoming poster are amazing and I'm really happy for people who have joined because your opinions are always a pleasure to read )

Nothing much to say about #busgate, but add me to the list of salty people who wanted to see more Philly in the video but alas Dan doesn't like to share (Also Artdefine06
your post made me enter fantasy land , no joke though the phil trash levels are escalating and Dan has to keep up )

iggy wrote:

tylerrjoseph wrote: in reply to the banana thing, when he said it during the liveshow i got a bit annoyed. like i knew what he meant but the way he put it made me think of someone who was being ignorant or nonchalant about it/didn't really care. i'm just trying to brush it off because i understood what he was trying to say but it won't stop bothering me

exactly! like i know what he was trying to say, i guess dan just has this way of speaking (especially in his liveshows) where he's a bit more unceremonious, and he uses jokes to try to prove a point, but i feel like when discussing a touchy subject like that he should have worded it differently. like your username, btw!

about the wording, he definitely should- and thank you!!

poweredbywords wrote:And Gosh I'm sorry for keeping on about busgate but I couldn't find if it's been talked about already, ...

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Fitting that it's referred to as a "scene" when it's pure theatre. These two should be on a stage. Oh wait...

Add me to the list of people salty they chose a #phanniversary out of all the days to upload that video. Like, I love the bus tour bit, I really do, it's dynamic, their bad acting is funny and the editing is on point, the no-phanno almost ruins it all.

Artdefines06 your signature had me

I'm sad, I used to enjoy #busgate so much back when they were on tour but now it evolved into something dreaded (for me). Also, good luck to the ones who didn't watch the documentary and just watched the video, they must be going trough the same feelings we all had back then, and I remember feeling very sad and disheartened, hope ppl are holding out well.

'Dan and Phil Part 29: two bitch ass liars' sounds amazing tbh

IckleMissMayhem wrote:Aaaaaanyhoo... They know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know they know we know

achika wrote:

Artdefines06 wrote: Someone join me in analyzing 1:58 to 2:12 in the VR 360 video. (pst watch in 1440 if you can, 1080 looks like a potato and 4k is laggy af) This segment of Dan teasing Phil about "fans" being interested in down the shirt action is so different than their normal banter. Usually it's phil making an innuendo and dan blushing, but this time it's Phil getting blushy and flustered. Watching Dan is also interesting because he is very focused on watching Phil, then he says he's not sorry, but his eyes look straight at the camera and he looks kinda embarrassed and fond. Makes me think the "not even sorry" is just a line he spouts automatically since it doesn't match his body language at all. Phil then changes the subject to warm-ups (only because there are no houseplants available)

I was going to post about this moment as well and comment on this, but also on Phil's facial expression at 1:59 when he's undoing his top button and Dan catcalls him. A little side smirk while looking down. This along with your observation are two expressions/moments we don't see often.

now this; the video was posted and I didn't think much of it with bad quality and Dan moving the camera around so much it's hard to keep up while dragging the frame from one side to another, glad to see people with more attention to detail than me are pointing out interesting stuff

Skeletorsrighthand wrote:can someone fill me in on busgate ? is it them sharing the room ?

poweredbywords wrote:And Gosh I'm sorry for keeping on about busgate but I couldn't find if it's been talked about already, ...

sinnamonrollphil wrote:oh you sweet summer child

Skeletorsrighthand wrote:can someone fill me in on busgate ? is it them sharing the room ?

As I understand it, #busgate is the conspiracy theory that Dan and Phil shared the 'master' bed in their bus, and that they lied when they said Dan was sleeping in one of the bunks. Consensus seems to be that:
- the bunk is too small for Dan who is a tall noodle
- the bunk is too uncomfortable
- Phil would be mean to let Dan sleep in the bunk while taking the big double all to himself
- even if they are friends it would not be weird to share under these circumstances
leading to #busgate

(I was a lurker through #busgate so I'm still catching up myself )
You can use the search function to find out more, if you follow eevee's instructions as well

anathema wrote:

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

I noticed this too! Me thinks they refilmed it because when they first filmed it Dan "won", then when Phil said he got the bedroom on twitter they realized it didn't match up with the footage (jk I don't actually think this) (or do I)

Honestly I found this part of the doc super funny, it made me laugh out loud, but I don't understand why they chose to put this up instead of another part of the doc (on today of all days too).

i'm going full here but to support this theory we have:
1- the rumour going around that someone at a meet and greet asked them who got the bed and they both said 'me' or something like that, just a rumour but still
2- the awkward pause in the joint hotel room liveshow when talking about the bed

my internet is too shitty to watch the vr video in a good enough quality so thank you all for your observations, i would have never seen any of that

also lots of interesting post from newbies today, glad you all joined

to the people that want the busgate background info please for the love of god use the search function, we've been talking about this for months, we can't give a run down of a three (four? can't even remember) months long discussion to every person that joins in, it would take too long

karma_yeah wrote:I know we aren't voting for the next thread name yet, but I'll be voting for "Horton hears two bitch ass liars".

Horton Hears Two Bitch Ass Liars should be the new name. It sums up Deppy perfectly.

RE: Busgate 3.0. I think the majority of us know that if Dan did in fact, sleep in that berth the entire tour he would have bitch-tweeted about it the entire time because Dan. Likewise, I don't think Phil would be that mean.

RE: Dan's LS: I watch Dan Howell because I think he's amusing, not for titillating social commentary. Whatever demographic he is pandering to, I know I am not in it, so my interest is just not there. He really is entertaining, but his intellectual stimulation is pedestrian to me, and that could simply be my age and my education? Thus, I ignore the LS, but if they ever put up another Donkey Kong epi on their gaming channel my ass is there!

RE: Bitch Ass Liars: We know they are in a relationship. They know we know. And so on. Whether you believe Dan bottoms and Phil is dom!top or Dan is a furry in diapers doesn't matter, that's like putting extra icing on the proverbial cake. They don't have to tell us, I don't expect them to, because they have been showing us (yeah imma ) all this time and if we haven't figured it out by now Dan probably thinks we don't deserve to know. It sounds like something he would do, as a way of mocking us all with our intensity of needing to know.

RE: TATINOF: aren't we done with this yet? I can't wait for spooky week because I live for Dan falling out of his chair while he screams like a goosed banshee.

LurkingTrash wrote:

achika wrote:

Artdefines06 wrote: Someone join me in analyzing 1:58 to 2:12 in the VR 360 video. (pst watch in 1440 if you can, 1080 looks like a potato and 4k is laggy af) This segment of Dan teasing Phil about "fans" being interested in down the shirt action is so different than their normal banter. Usually it's phil making an innuendo and dan blushing, but this time it's Phil getting blushy and flustered. Watching Dan is also interesting because he is very focused on watching Phil, then he says he's not sorry, but his eyes look straight at the camera and he looks kinda embarrassed and fond. Makes me think the "not even sorry" is just a line he spouts automatically since it doesn't match his body language at all. Phil then changes the subject to warm-ups (only because there are no houseplants available)

I was going to post about this moment as well and comment on this, but also on Phil's facial expression at 1:59 when he's undoing his top button and Dan catcalls him. A little side smirk while looking down. This along with your observation are two expressions/moments we don't see often.

now this; the video was posted and I didn't think much of it with bad quality and Dan moving the camera around so much it's hard to keep up while dragging the frame from one side to another, glad to see people with more attention to detail than me are pointing out interesting stuff

Same, im glad you guys/someone is analyzing the video because when I try i just catch myself looking for phil and that ruins the point.

Anyway I refuse to talk about busgate again, srly this should be on the bingo board thing because its the same argument over and over, I wouldnt even be surprised deppy posted that shit on purpose to distract us all from their anniversary. those lil shits

bluewho wrote:

Galactic-Howell wrote: Smh it's like they're not even trying to hide it. If they really wanted to look like platonic bros they would pay more attention to detail.

I'm skeptical about the 'they're just trolling' argument Here's why:

If Dan and Phil are in a relationship, that they've been trying to hide from the fanbase for seven years. They upload the bus tour video to a main channel, so that everyone will see that they are just friends and nothing more. They've picked this date in particular, their 'phanniversary', because uploading a 'we're just friends' statement on this particular date dispels the idea of the phanniversary as something romantic. It works to counteract the idea that this date is of romantic importance to them, and so dispel the idea that they are in a relationship.

Their motivation therefore is not just 'shits and giggles'. It's not just 'trolling'. It's not just to 'watch the phandom chase their tail wondering if phan is real'. It's about something serious. It's about reserving their privacy. It's about stopping the fanbase from knowing that they are in a relationship. It's not just to have a light hearted laugh and a trivial joke and go on a bit of a troll this evening.

If Dan and Phil are not in a relationship, yet their fanbase so desperately want them to be that they've started calling the day they met a 'phanniversary'. If Dan and Phil didn't sleep in the same bed and want to put an end to these rumors. They want people to believe them when they say they are not together. They want to stop people from feeling like they are being lied to every time Dan and Phil say they are single. They want to be honest, and make a statement that they are not together by uploading a video to a main channel which clearly makes them seem like just friends and nothing more.

In this case they are still not doing it for shits and giggles, to have troll, to watch the phandom freak out for fun. It's about something serious. It's about clarifying the truth.

Two possibilities:
It's about clarifying the truth.
It's about concealing the truth.

Either way it's serious. It's for important reasons that mean something. Not shits and giggles and trolling.

I agree that Dan and Phil love trolling us about things. But I just really don't think this is one of those things they would have a light hearted troll about

While I do agree with you on somethings in your argument, bluewho, I don't agree with the fact that they purposefully picked this day to release this one particular scene. All youtube red teasers and content seem to come out on Wednesdays, not just for Dan and Phil but most if not all youtube red content.
For the past five or so weeks, (aside from the "what tatinof and the story of tatinof are about" videos) all their youtube red stuff has fallen on a Wednesday. The phanniversary just happened to fall on one of their upload dates. And they couldn't have uploaded it last week since they had to put out the stuff for stand up to cancer was happening that weekend. They couldn't have done it any Wednesday before that because both movies were not out yet. It was just the way the scheduling of the youtube red teaser stuff fell.

And also this isnt real really related to the post but, honestly, the tour bus tour is a laughable scene to me, it's so over dramatic for no apparent reason, even they knew that. The whole situation in itself is a massive parody of MTV cribs and literally every band tour bus tour, it's like one big ironic thing and we all know Dan and doing stuff "ironically" .
Also I noticed more parts that were refilmed during that?? The beginning of the video where they opened the tour bus, they didn't have their mics clipped to them, just like with the whole scene before rock paper scissors and when they are in the lounge part of the bus and Phil lays down on the couch, he's wearing the socks from the clearly refilmed later on rock paper scissors. I have a friend that's trying to convince me that it was an audio issue or something and that's why they had to refilm it. But even with no mics on, they had crisp audio, so why didn't they just use the first take, refilm the same day or rewatch the first half to make sure there is no big yet minor continuity errors before filming again?

bluntedclaws wrote:

sinnamonrollphil wrote:so not to bring back busgate 3.0 but dan and phil started it. Im not really sure who they think they're fooling but the inconsistencies are irking me. they CLEARLY filmed this scene on two different occasions. Here, I've circled the problems. It's like one of those 'find the difference games'

http://imgur.com/O7rzyEt

http://imgur.com/itRWPR6


Horton hears two bitch ass liars

I posted about this almost two weeks ago and only a couple of people replied *sulks quietly in the corner*
*sigh* I guess it's because we were still keeping everything under spoilers then.

Oh I hate when this happens, yeah it most likely is because of the spoilers tag, but also because we had way too many pages of busgate and the negativity was rough so i think most of us kinda skimmed part of the end, but either way thanks for putting it out there the first time!

to the people that want the busgate background info please for the love of god use the search function, we've been talking about this for months, we can't give a run down of a three (four? can't even remember) months long discussion to every person that joins in, it would take too long

ehh sorry just wanted a quick yes or no answer currently binge watching anime i guess ile join the conversation later once im well acquainted.

so... howsabout #elbowgate.



one small step away from scooping phil into his arms.

this post is dedicated to eevee because what's a #busgate??? idk the elbow is the only thing i got from the doc.

rizzo wrote:so... howsabout #elbowgate.



one small step away from scooping phil into his arms.

this post is dedicated to eevee because what's a #busgate??? idk the elbow is the only thing i got from the doc.

shook