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JustMe wrote:My prediction for his video is that he's making slime.. Is sciency and would make sense with the hand sanitiser afterwards. But I never get these things right so it's probably him testing his houseplants for diseases or something.

Oo could be?? I mean i guess he would have had to order the ingredients which could explain the packing materials, but is Phil really a DIY kind of Youtuber? (apart from baking i suppose! correct me if i'm wrong )
OO i wish i had even the slightest inkling to make a prediction too!

Edit: oh wow my first top of the page

JustMe wrote:My prediction for his video is that he's making slime.. Is sciency and would make sense with the hand sanitiser afterwards. But I never get these things right so it's probably him testing his houseplants for diseases or something.

That's actually quite plausible, although I personally don't really enjoy slime videos, so I'm hoping for something else.

I wondered if it'll be slime too. Niki and Sammy did it the other day and the ingredients were quite funny.

I have no prediction for Phil's video, I will probably be happy with whatever he does, but since I'm bored and avoiding writing my thesis I thought I might ask something that's been on my mind for a couple of days.

Do you ever see a particular moment in Deppy history, something that the entire phandom loves and adores and you just..cringe thinking about it?

I've realized in the past couple of days that I physically cannot watch the "Can Phil express an opinion?" moment. Every time the video or gifs show up on my tumblr feed I physically cringe and have to scroll down. I know it's one of the moments the phandom love the most, and that the general consensus is that Dan was his trashiest self at the time, but I just CAN'T. It hurts me.
I think, as someone suffering from anxiety, the idea of being put in such a spot would've killed me right there, and maybe I project too much.

Is there anything similar for you?

liola wrote:I have no prediction for Phil's video, I will probably be happy with whatever he does, but since I'm bored and avoiding writing my thesis I thought I might ask something that's been on my mind for a couple of days.

Do you ever see a particular moment in Deppy history, something that the entire phandom loves and adores and you just..cringe thinking about it?

I've realized in the past couple of days that I physically cannot watch the "Can Phil express an opinion?" moment. Every time the video or gifs show up on my tumblr feed I physically cringe and have to scroll down. I know it's one of the moments the phandom love the most, and that the general consensus is that Dan was his trashiest self at the time, but I just CAN'T. It hurts me.
I think, as someone suffering from anxiety, the idea of being put in such a spot would've killed me right there, and maybe I project too much.

Is there anything similar for you?

Please let me procrastinate with you The hug on stage is that kind of moment for me. It feels so awkward that I can't really watch it and usually skip through it.

As for the "can Phil express an opinion" moment, you can notice how Dan asks Phil quietly before putting him on the spot, so I guess Phil was ok with it (although I personally would rather hide under the desk then speak after something like that. But hey, there must be a reason why they are public figures and I'm not:))

998274 wrote:As for the "can Phil express an opinion" moment, you can notice how Dan asks Phil quietly before putting him on the spot, so I guess Phil was ok with it (although I personally would rather hide under the desk then speak after something like that. But hey, there must be a reason why they are public figures and I'm not:))

I definitely think the fact that Dan seems to check with Phil first is what saves it for me - also, the fact that everyone had seen Phil trying to speak multiple times anyway. Social anxiety wise that would be a lose/lose for me - either I'm embarrassed because everyone knows I got spoken over more than once, or I'm embarrassed because someone else spoke up for me. But of the two I think the second one is actually slightly better, especially when met with audience applause because the people at that panel wanted to hear Phil speak. The anxiety would definitely come into play with the other panel members, though.

alittledizzy wrote:

998274 wrote:As for the "can Phil express an opinion" moment, you can notice how Dan asks Phil quietly before putting him on the spot, so I guess Phil was ok with it (although I personally would rather hide under the desk then speak after something like that. But hey, there must be a reason why they are public figures and I'm not:))

I definitely think the fact that Dan seems to check with Phil first is what saves it for me - also, the fact that everyone had seen Phil trying to speak multiple times anyway. Social anxiety wise that would be a lose/lose for me - either I'm embarrassed because everyone knows I got spoken over more than once, or I'm embarrassed because someone else spoke up for me. But of the two I think the second one is actually slightly better, especially when met with audience applause because the people at that panel wanted to hear Phil speak. The anxiety would definitely come into play with the other panel members, though.

Like I said I project my own feelings on it a lot, and I would probably have an attack on the spot, or just quietly say "no no nonononnon please". Rationally I know it's a lovely moment and my heart kinda squish because how much Dan cares but at the same time my first reaction is to cow and close the tab if the video starts playing.

Glad to see the different angle on this! Maybe one day I'll be able not to cringe at it I'm now thinking if there are other moments like that for me, but that's the only one that stands out to me

998274 wrote:

liola wrote:I have no prediction for Phil's video, I will probably be happy with whatever he does, but since I'm bored and avoiding writing my thesis I thought I might ask something that's been on my mind for a couple of days.

Do you ever see a particular moment in Deppy history, something that the entire phandom loves and adores and you just..cringe thinking about it?

I've realized in the past couple of days that I physically cannot watch the "Can Phil express an opinion?" moment. Every time the video or gifs show up on my tumblr feed I physically cringe and have to scroll down. I know it's one of the moments the phandom love the most, and that the general consensus is that Dan was his trashiest self at the time, but I just CAN'T. It hurts me.
I think, as someone suffering from anxiety, the idea of being put in such a spot would've killed me right there, and maybe I project too much.

Is there anything similar for you?

Please let me procrastinate with you The hug on stage is that kind of moment for me. It feels so awkward that I can't really watch it and usually skip through it.

As for the "can Phil express an opinion" moment, you can notice how Dan asks Phil quietly before putting him on the spot, so I guess Phil was ok with it (although I personally would rather hide under the desk then speak after something like that. But hey, there must be a reason why they are public figures and I'm not:))

i don't know why but just the entire pastel edits video makes me want to crawl into a hole and die. every time i see pictures or gifs or any reference to it i just cringe so much. now i can't stop thinking about it, thanks.

liola wrote:Glad to see the different angle on this! Maybe one day I'll be able not to cringe at it I'm now thinking if there are other moments like that for me, but that's the only one that stands out to me

It's not quite for the same reason but I think the biggest moment that phandom tends to think is 'cute' that I feel mortified by is the married-in-2022 one. They didn't react with genuine amusement to that, they looked nervous/trapped/awkward and their laughter was so forced and I just think of being in a situation where my friend who knows I'm in a closeted relationship makes a joke about me and my partner getting married to a group of people I consider essentially work associates and I want to break out in a cold sweat.

alittledizzy wrote: It's not quite for the same reason but I think the biggest moment that phandom tends to think is 'cute' that I feel mortified by is the married-in-2022 one. They didn't react with genuine amusement to that, they looked nervous/trapped/awkward and their laughed was so forced and I just think of being in a situation where my friend who knows I'm in a closeted relationship makes a joke about me and my partner getting married to a group of people I consider essentially work associates and I want to break out in a cold sweat.

Same!!! That moment does not do it for me at all, Phil's face just projects discomfort, yikes. And god yeah, putting myself in their shoes and imagining what that must have felt like makes me genuinely shudder. I don't think Chris meant anything bad by it, but it was uncomfortable all the same.

One moment that irritates me/makes me uncomfortable has more to do with the phandom's reaction than the moment itself - that bit in pinof4 when Dan says "I feel special" and Phil replies "You are". It was so obviously meant to be a cheap insult, and yet people still insist to this day on taking it literally and interpreting it as a genuine compliment. Annoys the shit out of me.

Also I know we've moved on but that liveshow was so nice - Phil's interaction with his mum about hedgehogs was super adorable, what a sweet memory for her to bring up. Plus, I feel so satisfied knowing I was right that the reason Phil seemed a bit off last week was the pupil dilation and not something more serious - it really is an unpleasant sensation.

I missed the the more substantive debate of a few pages back. Can't read up on everything right now so i'm just to share some things that make me shudder of second-hand embarrassment.
Where to begin I feel like so much of Dan's humor is based on trying to find the funny side of awkward and silly situations, and the 'cringe' factor just adds to the comedic effect. With Phil, I feel a bit different because the times he makes me cringe are much fewer and further between. When he talks about going to a gym and getting poorly treated by a coach who's got another kind of exercise regiment in mind, I just feel a bit bad about it because i keep thinking how his shyness probably held him back there. Idk it's endearing to me but i don't feel really embarrassed. By contrast, when Dan talks about his piano teacher experience, there are points where I do cringe hard like when he starts spying in the house of the teacher and finds the 'bags of meat in the fringe' or when he just hides in his own house and pretends he's not there when he "misses" classes.

Just out of the top of my head the naked booth, the llama song, draw phil naked and sometimes just the stares they give each other and the things they do (feeling each others hearts on cam in a gaming themed vid, really boys?) often make me shudder a bit with embarrassment but i also like it more and think it's sweet or funny more than cringe in the end.

The only thing they've did where i've caught myself just fast forwarding the video is the fanfic scenes in TATINOF. It just feels a bit contrived and hastily put together. Like an idea that would look good on a storyboard but because the show really doesn't have much story... it just feels out of place, left hanging in this weird spot.
And it's pretty tame anyway compared the fanfic the community produces of even most of their own vids so... i don't feel like it's their best

Y'all, if IRL is working on a Dodie store.... D & P & M have basically monopolized the non-Gleam market.

alittledizzy wrote:

liola wrote:Glad to see the different angle on this! Maybe one day I'll be able not to cringe at it I'm now thinking if there are other moments like that for me, but that's the only one that stands out to me

It's not quite for the same reason but I think the biggest moment that phandom tends to think is 'cute' that I feel mortified by is the married-in-2022 one. They didn't react with genuine amusement to that, they looked nervous/trapped/awkward and their laughter was so forced and I just think of being in a situation where my friend who knows I'm in a closeted relationship makes a joke about me and my partner getting married to a group of people I consider essentially work associates and I want to break out in a cold sweat.

wait what's this?

ArtyJim wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

liola wrote:Glad to see the different angle on this! Maybe one day I'll be able not to cringe at it I'm now thinking if there are other moments like that for me, but that's the only one that stands out to me

It's not quite for the same reason but I think the biggest moment that phandom tends to think is 'cute' that I feel mortified by is the married-in-2022 one. They didn't react with genuine amusement to that, they looked nervous/trapped/awkward and their laughter was so forced and I just think of being in a situation where my friend who knows I'm in a closeted relationship makes a joke about me and my partner getting married to a group of people I consider essentially work associates and I want to break out in a cold sweat.

wait what's this?

She's referencing



It's part of this video, for context




Personally i don't see it. They don't look trapped to me, the laughter may be a bit green and Phil might look a bit surprised, but not extremely so and tbh i'm not even sure of that. It could just be a bit of an awkward though genuine laugh of amusement and Phil might as well have just been with his mind elsewhere for a second.
It's very subjective and hard to read other peoples faces. We get it wrong on a day to day basis in real life after all, or i know I and my friends do at least

It's not even just D&P though, it's awkward laughter and averted eyes all around. The cringe is too real.

Stakhanov wrote:

ArtyJim wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

liola wrote:Glad to see the different angle on this! Maybe one day I'll be able not to cringe at it I'm now thinking if there are other moments like that for me, but that's the only one that stands out to me

It's not quite for the same reason but I think the biggest moment that phandom tends to think is 'cute' that I feel mortified by is the married-in-2022 one. They didn't react with genuine amusement to that, they looked nervous/trapped/awkward and their laughter was so forced and I just think of being in a situation where my friend who knows I'm in a closeted relationship makes a joke about me and my partner getting married to a group of people I consider essentially work associates and I want to break out in a cold sweat.

wait what's this?

She's referencing



It's part of this video, for context




Personally i don't see it. They don't look trapped to me, the laughter may be a bit green and Phil might look a bit surprised, but not extremely so and tbh i'm not even sure of that. It could just be a bit of an awkward though genuine laugh of amusement and Phil might as well have just been with his mind elsewhere for a second.
It's very subjective and hard to read other peoples faces. We get it wrong on a day to day basis in real life after all, or i know I and my friends do at least

thank you for the videos! i did cringe a little but mostly because of phil. but like you said it could have been anything. but i totally get why it's a cringe moment for people.

cringe moments for me always involving them singing lol. i know it's all in fun but the obsession with britney's toxic makes me cringe lol. (which is funny bc i genuinely love the internet is here, go figure)

fancybum wrote:It's not even just D&P though, it's awkward laughter and averted eyes all around. The cringe is too real.

It was seven/eight months after the big leak of the vday video, all their peers definitely knew about the video and that it circulated, probably all had seen it, if they were gossip hounds probably had all seen Dan's meltdowns on tumblr. That drama didn't happen in a vacuum, and the British youtuber circle isn't that big. Even for people who don't think they're a couple, I can't fathom how that reads as anything but awkward. In fact, I'd think people who don't think they're a couple would understand even more why it would be uncomfortable to be actively trying not to come across as together and have one of your friends "joke" about your wedding in a professional setting.

I like the geek week special, I find the video funny but you can sort of see they aren't really as smooth and used to the format ( with a live audience no less ) as you're used to seeing on television quizzes where everyone just seems to be a master at being funny and looking comfortable at it. While here we have... geeks in suits trying a bit to hard to laugh with every joke

All D&P singing has a special place in my heart but yes i feel you it's also very cringy. I can warmly recommend the sped up "chipmunk voice" edits out there for a laugh

alittledizzy wrote:

fancybum wrote:It's not even just D&P though, it's awkward laughter and averted eyes all around. The cringe is too real.

It was seven/eight months after the big leak of the vday video, all their peers definitely knew about the video and that it circulated, probably all had seen it, if they were gossip hounds probably had all seen Dan's meltdowns on tumblr. That drama didn't happen in a vacuum, and the British youtuber circle isn't that big. Even for people who don't think they're a couple, I can't fathom how that reads as anything but awkward. In fact, I'd think people who don't think they're a couple would understand even more why it would be uncomfortable to be actively trying not to come across as together and have one of your friends "joke" about your wedding in a professional setting.

Idk it just honestly doesn't register for me like that. To me it comes across as Dan trying to laugh at something he doesn't actually find that funny (but not really scared, he also kind of shrugs it off a bit i feel when he blow up his cheeks at the end and turns to Chris.
Phil, imho, looks a bit dispassionate about it, maybe not quite as much in the mood of trying to be Entertaining with a capital P as the rest of the panel members there.
As for how they would feel in relationship to the V-day vid and other youtubers knowing about it.
Can't properly reply right now but I don't think they were to phased by what others would think of it
I've gotta run (town music festival night whoop whoop)

First post! I've been lurking for a while now.

I find The Internet Is Here song and video incredibly cringy. Honestly, the lyrics are terrible, the melody is uninspired and generic and their singing is just... awful. (Granted, I might be a bit too critical since I've been taking professional singing lessons for the past 12 years.) Their dancing is cute but still quite bad, the only good thing to come out of it was that adorable look they give to one another (and I don't even ship them!). Although, I'm convinced that look was just pure fanservice/shipbaiting.

Btw, what's the difference between fanservice and shipbait? I get the difference between queerbaiting and shipbaiting but not between the latter and fanservice.

This is so specific but since we're talking about things the phandom loves that make me cringe...hooooooly shit do I hate looking at this photo set. They just look so pained, so tired, and their smiles look so forced that all I can see are grimaces. I look at these pictures and I see two exhausted men, doing their best to put on a happy face for the camera even though their ears are bleeding from all the screaming and their cheeks ache from all the smiling for selfies.

I often see this in compilations of cutest phan pictures. People are always calling them squishes and soft bois in the caption... it has 21,000+ notes on Tumblr! And I'm always just like wtf... can 21,000 people just not read facial cues? It makes me feel all kinds of uncomfortable and sends me into this spiral of wondering if deppy are just like smiling dolls to the phandom-- as long as they slap on a squinty smile and show some "squishy" dimples, everything's hunky dory perfect. And then I wonder if the disconnect between d&p and their audience is more profound than I typically believe and if they see fans squeeing over these pictures and feel the same. Basically, this one photoset makes me overthink their relationship to their audience to the max, and makes me feel a lot of pretty strong sadness for the boys that I typically do not ever feel.
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(lil shoutout to one of my top 3 fave phandom blogs. I adore hunter and everything he posts (except these pix lol))

I also can't re-watch the "can Phil express an opinion" clip because of the sheer awkwardness of the situation.

And a similar live moment that made me cringe a little was during the "Creating A Community" panel from this year's Playlist Live, when a girl in the audience asked them what inspired them to make Youtube videos and said "for Dan we all know what inspired him" and Dan made one of his silly-awkward faces and motioned towards Phil, and then he fiddled with his mic while Phil answered the question.

Stakhanov wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

fancybum wrote:It's not even just D&P though, it's awkward laughter and averted eyes all around. The cringe is too real.

It was seven/eight months after the big leak of the vday video, all their peers definitely knew about the video and that it circulated, probably all had seen it, if they were gossip hounds probably had all seen Dan's meltdowns on tumblr. That drama didn't happen in a vacuum, and the British youtuber circle isn't that big. Even for people who don't think they're a couple, I can't fathom how that reads as anything but awkward. In fact, I'd think people who don't think they're a couple would understand even more why it would be uncomfortable to be actively trying not to come across as together and have one of your friends "joke" about your wedding in a professional setting.

Idk it just honestly doesn't register for me like that. To me it comes across as Dan trying to laugh at something he doesn't actually find that funny (but not really scared, he also kind of shrugs it off a bit i feel when he blow up his cheeks at the end and turns to Chris.
Phil, imho, looks a bit dispassionate about it, maybe not quite as much in the mood of trying to be Entertaining with a capital P as the rest of the panel members there.
As for how they would feel in relationship to the V-day vid and other youtubers knowing about it.
Can't properly reply right now but I don't think they were to phased by what others would think of it
I've gotta run (town music festival night whoop whoop)

So.... the customer service blog was just for shits and giggles then?

IDK, dude. Dan and Phil have definitely shown discomfort in how people perceive their relationship plenty. And this video is just one of many situations like that.

chloek88 wrote:This is so specific but since we're talking about things the phandom loves that make me cringe...hooooooly shit do I hate looking at this photo set. They just look so pained, so tired, and their smiles look so forced that all I can see are grimaces. I look at these pictures and I see two exhausted men, doing their best to put on a happy face for the camera even though their ears are bleeding from all the screaming and their cheeks ache from all the smiling for selfies.

I often see this in compilations of cutest phan pictures. People are always calling them squishes and soft bois in the caption... it has 21,000+ notes on Tumblr! And I'm always just like wtf... can 21,000 people just not read facial cues? It makes me feel all kinds of uncomfortable and sends me into this spiral of wondering if deppy are just like smiling dolls to the phandom-- as long as they slap on a squinty smile and show some "squishy" dimples, everything's hunky dory perfect. And then I wonder if the disconnect between d&p and their audience is more profound than I typically believe and if they see fans squeeing over these pictures and feel the same. Basically, this one photoset makes me overthink their relationship to their audience to the max, and makes me feel a lot of pretty strong sadness for the boys that I typically do not ever feel.
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(lil shoutout to one of my top 3 fave phandom blogs. I adore hunter and everything he posts (except these pix lol))

I totally agree with this one and want to add in my own the same vein...

Some of Dan's giant smiles/laughs in DAPG bother me more than they probably should. And I want to give an example via a gif, but I never reblog those for a reason, so I don't have a reference.

Basically, it's every time he does one of his giant, crinkly, otherwise-cute smiles and looks at the camera display to our left. It's so fake. Like, you know he's reacting that way for the gif-makers.

And he's been better about it lately tbh, but gosh, it bothered me for a while there. I feel like I can tell when he's genuinely laughing or when he's doing it for tumblr.

Clearly he became an actual giant.

liola wrote: I've realized in the past couple of days that I physically cannot watch the "Can Phil express an opinion?" moment. Every time the video or gifs show up on my tumblr feed I physically cringe and have to scroll down. I know it's one of the moments the phandom love the most, and that the general consensus is that Dan was his trashiest self at the time, but I just CAN'T. It hurts me.
I think, as someone suffering from anxiety, the idea of being put in such a spot would've killed me right there, and maybe I project too much.

Oh my lord, I thought I was the only one. It's always touted as one of the top ~cute phan moments~ but I just... can't. I think it's because I do like you mentioned, I project myself on Phil's spot, and I would absolutely die in that situation. (although thinking that Dan checked with Phil first quells the anxiety a little, lol.) The girls in the audience saying "let Phil talk" or something didn't help either.
The 2022 thing is the other major uncomfortable thing for me, for reasons other people have stated. Also, I feel a bit bad, but like... almost everything to do with the tour/books makes me cringe at least a little bit. I haven't been able to get through tatinof and I don't think I ever will, I can't even watch clips of it. I can't really put my finger on why, it's a combination of the content itself, and the screaming audience. Idk.

It's to a much lesser extent, but a lot of their videos together during the tour period in general make me cringe, or at least I don't enjoy them. I randomly decided to rewatch some stuff the other day, and holy crap. They (especially Dan) were SO over-the-top, SO persona-y, so just... It's like they were bad actors playing themselves. And the whole shtick of Phil saying something wacky and Dan reacting, ugh. They still do that part a little bit now, but at least it's been toned down. I can't pinpoint where exactly the videos went from THAT to the 2017 DnP we have now, but I thank my lucky stars.