Dan & Phil Part 22: #rubberupfordan

[idk]

y'all ever think maybe they deny being in a more-than-platonic-relationship with each other.... because they aren't in a more-than-platonic-relationship together?

i jest, i jest (lolzornot)

but nah, the video was cute, wasn't anything ground breakingly amazing imo, cute. but like others have said before it just felt clearly divided into 3 parts which lasted several mins and that was about it. but i'll rewatch it in the future, no doubt. best part was nightfall in the hotel, just chillin' - double cute.

i will say though, if they were in a r/s with one another, for reasons above, they no doubt have a myriad of reasons to not, if ever, ~~come out.

out b4 sexuality talk starts again

[uglyamerican]

I don't think it's an either/or of being perpetually single or terrified in the closet together. Dan is cool with not being perceived as straight. Phil basically has a protective shield around his private life, incl sexuality. But if they are together and want to keep that to themselves, it doesn't have to be out of fear. It's just out of protectiveness for their personal lives. They chose to share parts of themselves with the internet as a career, but that doesn't mean they want (or have) to share everything. Keeping the most important and intimate parts for themselves is understandable and nothing to pity them for.

Agree.

Keeping their relationship status ambiguous helps to keep subscribers (viewers) engaged (plus maintains the brand.) If the "mystery" is solved, some viewers might move on. Anyway, D&P show us what they want us to know about them - the rest is private. The mystique lives on. Good for them.

Thank you for agreeing, but please don't think your comment is at all what I had in mind when I wrote mine. I'm fascinated that every single part of their lives solely comes down to business with you, I commend you on your consistency, but respectfully disagree with what you've said and the sentiment behind it.

I guess these will be the thoughts of a delusional phannie but I just want to make myself slightly clearer for my own peace of mind:

I don't think they're manipulating anybody, or attempting to. I don't think they're trying to cash in on Phan™ at the expense of lgbt+ viewers and I don't think every single thing they do that involves the other is fanservice or worse, ~queerbaiting~. I think they're two people in a long-term relationship that don't want to sell it to the world. They live together, they work together, they're a duo. They are best friends. They don't talk about their romantic lives because that's not what their channels are about; they don't want to daily vlog, they don't want to live like an open book for their audience. An earlier comment was mad that they haven't confirmed Phan and at points have outright denied it. My question is: when did they hold up a bible and swear to tell the truth about whatever any one of us demands? They have no obligation to not lie. Their personal life is nobody's business and no lgbt+ person is obligated to come out to be an example or shepherd for others. It would be nice if everybody was loud and proud at all times about everything, but nobody is required to do that, whatever they identify as and however privileged they are.

Is the biggest draw their dynamic with each other? Most would say yes. Do they exploit it? I would say no. Being aware of something and exploiting something are not the same thing. They're aware Phan sells. They were aware Phan sells in 2012 and were decidedly not comfortable with that. [Insert any number of reasons here]. They were making money in 2012, they could have parted ways, I don't think it was in their BBC contract that they needed to live together for infinity in order to keep their jobs. They stayed together during a period of time that they were aggressively trying to keep their public 'brands' separate. From a purely business perspective: WTF.

Now they're just in a sometimes uncomfortable place of letting their public brands merge together (yes ok for better business dealings) while keeping their private lives as private as they can. But there will be awkward moments where (delusional warning) the fact that they're privately together seeps into their public interactions. How do you hide your love for somebody when your job is to be with that person in everything you do? You smile at each other, joke with each other, make everybody watching feel like a third wheel sometimes, but remember that you're just friends and try to act accordingly. Well if you're not friends with your SO, you're doing it wrong. So the line is blurry and gets peoples' spider senses tingling...

I think their cute selfies and candid shots of each other are natural. That's probably 85% of the pics on their phones. What else are they going to share on instagram? They know people want it. They have it in abundance to give and yet we still get mostly scraps. You know what would be some real fanservice? Candid pics of Dan asleep in Phil's bed. Think of the $£$£$£$.

Basically I think we get a restrained version of their actual lives, minus more intimate details that are none of our fucking business to begin with, because that's the path of least resistance. The fact that the path of least resistance is somehow also the path paved with love and money is pretty cool for , but I don't agree that it's by design of some detached manipulative business colleagues biding their time until [insert end goal of masterplan here]. They're just doing the best they can while trying to keep something for themselves. If in doing that they feel the need to stage a 'waking up scene' here and there to establish (or re-establish) boundaries, then have at it. They don't owe you any truths. They're not your real dads.

Once again, I agree with you for the most part, and I don't mean to imply that you agreed with my additions. But I can be a stone cold / black-hearted business analyst, and generally I think that if something is working, don't change it - that would be my advice, and I'd image that is the advice they are getting (of course there are exceptions, but you get what I mean.) I also am not suggesting that D&P are somehow exploiting their fans' perception of their relationship - after all, they did not *create* it. I will say that they are successfully navigating it without offending anyone for the most part.

[karma_yeah]

I agree with a good portion of what fancybum said
I don't think they have been trying to manipulate us/cash in on phan at the expense of the lgbtq community/queerbaiting.
They are two people in a long-term relationship they don't want to see to the world.
They are best friends

fancybum Now they're just in a sometimes uncomfortable place of letting their public brands merge together (yes ok for better business dealings) while keeping their private lives as private as they can. But there will be awkward moments where (delusional warning) the fact that they're privately together seeps into their public interactions. How do you hide your love for somebody when your job is to be with that person in everything you do? You smile at each other, joke with each other, make everybody watching feel like a third wheel sometimes, but remember that you're just friends and try to act accordingly. Well if you're not friends with your SO, you're doing it wrong. So the line is blurry and gets peoples' spider senses tingling...

fancybum I think their cute selfies and candid shots of each other are natural. That's probably 85% of the pics on their phones. What else are they going to share on instagram? They know people want it. They have it in abundance to give and yet we still get mostly scraps. You know what would be some real fanservice? Candid pics of Dan asleep in Phil's bed. Think of the $£$£$£$.

All of this made sense when they were in ambiguity perspective. I very much want to be talked off the anti-phan ledge right now, but the "I have my own room/Dan has his" parts of the video are very intentional. Are they there to

- "protect Phil's younger audience"? - eh, if they're also subscribed to danandphilgames, they've heard way worse
- hide their relationship? - what was wrong with blurry ambiguity? It's worked for 7 years
- set boundaries that their relationship is off-limits or that they don't owe us anything? 100% agree they don't owe us anything, but why be so deliberate instead of the usual intentionally blurry. Lbr, the hotel scenes were not central to the theme and did not have to be in the video at all and people would have loved it. That would have been the best way to set the "off limits" boundary.
- they really aren't together? - Dan's been more forthright about not being straight. Maybe they are starting to pave the way for coming out as "not together". Because deps as a couple is such a huge part of the phandom, maybe they want people to accept them dating other people and not loose too many fans.

I honestly don't know. Just a theory. But the hotel scenes were deliberate. So if it's not to clarify "we aren't together", then it's a lie. If t's a lie, then for what purpose? What purpose that ambiguity doesn't already work for?

(really don't want to jump)

[uglyamerican]

I can't believe nobody else commented on this (all tied up in knots over #roomgate,?) but Dan mentions how soft the Koala's coat is, and nuzzles its ear: More furry confirmation?

[timtam]

The Australian DITL was really sweet. I loved Dan with the koala and Phil jumping around with the kangaroo. That shot of Phil with the jelly snake hanging out of his mouth made me laugh. Lying on the floor and then doing that roll was like actually impressive.

I have nothing to say about the whole separate bedroom thing (although of course I went straight here to read theories). I just wish they wouldn't include this kind of stuff at all because are they trying to say they aren't a couple or just misleading us? I'd prefer if Phil just started with them leaving the hotel for the day. If they really don't like the bed talk they should just avoid it all together. Although avoiding at scenes early in the morning would probably evoke suspicion as well.

Something weird: Am I the only one that feels my back hurting every time I see Phil's bad posture?

Every. freaking. M&G. makes me cringe and want to grab the pair of them and forcibly stand them up straight.

I just saw their show yesterday in Melbourne and Dan's posture was so bad during the show I wanted to run onto the stage and shove his shoulders back. Phil's posture was surprisingly okay.

I'm probably going to do a write up on the melb show on the tatinof thread sometime soon but the only thing I guess relevant to the main thread is that it was obvious during the show that Dan is still sick. When he was yelling or speaking loudly his voice would crack and fade. Other than that he seemed relatively okay!

[confusedpanda]

I honestly don't know. Just a theory. But the hotel scenes were deliberate. So if it's not to clarify "we aren't together", then it's a lie. If t's a lie, then for what purpose? What purpose that ambiguity doesn't already work for?

I'm not sure what the purpose would be however, Dan and Phil are and will always be completely confusing, honestly. No one but them has the official code to this madness. We're all suck in this spiral with no telling if we'll ever know the truth to anything regarding the past, present or future.
But my question to all of you is, they have two bedrooms at home which both seem to be equally used, does that make you doubt them as well? How is them having hotel rooms next to eachother any different than having their rooms being across from eachother at home? Like I mentioned a few pages ago, it might just be because of circumstances (e.g Dan still being sick, one of them going to bed/waking up earlier than the other and not wanted to disturb the other), wanting some time to themeselves because surpirsingly, people do want that sometimes, regardless of how close they are. or maybe they just didn't book it themselves. One of those reasons is most likely why they didn't have a suite or a twin bed room like normal. The more I think about all this, is it really that big a deal? Would we have made the same stink about it if it was them at home waking up in separate rooms? It's the same thing and quite a bit silly when you think about it.

[Winston]

I finally caught up! Ugh what crap day to be too busy! Anyway, loved the video. Don't really have much to add my thoughts have pretty much been covered by you lot. Just wanted to throw in two things on roomgate-that little contact solution you looking bottle is mysteriously removed from shot when Dan comes out to model the new shirt. Interesting. And Phil's bed pillows. Unless he is a freak like me who doesn't ever move in his sleep, the pillows on his bed (the ones he wasn't using in shot) were still set up as they would have been from the maids. As a former (1st job) hotel maid it seems very VERY strange...i.e. that bed was not slept in strange.

That being said, if they want us to believe that they were in separate rooms now, well then so be it. Mayhaps they just wanted to reestablish the not together story. That's fine. They have been seeming so much more relaxed and coupley lately maybe they needed that little boost in the platonic direction to even the playing field a bit. I do admit that I have (for some reason) been in the "just platonic bros" area for a little while as of late and the obvious 2 room situation threw me. Why now all of a sudden do they do this?

Eh, it threw me but not enough to over shadow the FREAKING CUTEST animal interactions on earth. Seriously the ear nuzzling from Dan, and the nervousness of Phil. Jesus on a miniature Shetland pony they're so cute. Ugh.

Btw who do you think fixed Dan's hair for the koala pic. His hair is all sticking up weird while he is holding the koala, but in the pic it is just fine. Just saying....

[teamug]

My opinion on the Aus ditl
recap:deps sleep in separate rooms (wow, such new info), petting zoo, dan snarky on a hill, deps eat and spend time watching tv in the same room.
boring, cute, boring, boring.

[swofro]

I haven't read from page 27 on because I can't help myself from wanting to write what I think about the new DiTL

also, hi, I'm back from my short vacation

Bedroom discussion aside (which totally makes my demon phannie heart shatters a bit when Phil say he wanna check on Dan's room - I am so slow I didn't realise it before), the vid was soooooo cute.

List of my fav things that ppl have said thousand times but I really wanna say it too

The holding the koala moment. I have been thrown so hard into the bottomless pit of the garbage pit my back hurts. I wanna be that koala, pls

When the emu (i also totally pronounce it the way deppy did, is it wrong? Or is it a British pronounciation?) is trying to chase phil and Dan trying hard to get a selfie. His whole body is scared but his eyes said yes.

Dan gotten the 'piss off' reaction from that particular kangaroo.

Such a good video, will watch it a thousand more times till my heart contents.

[DryCereal]

and this bit about his hospital experience in Manchester and being afraid (around 1:50):

No sure if you've ever been in an inner-city a&e dept in the UK at night, but the fact they're fucking TERRIFYING has absolutely nothing to do with your sexuality...

Something weird: Am I the only one that feels my back hurting every time I see Phil's bad posture?

Every. freaking. M&G. makes me cringe and want to grab the pair of them and forcibly stand them up straight.

I just saw their show yesterday in Melbourne and Dan's posture was so bad during the show I wanted to run onto the stage and shove his shoulders back. Phil's posture was surprisingly okay.

I'm probably going to do a write up on the melb show on the tatinof thread sometime soon but the only thing I guess relevant to the main thread is that it was obvious during the show that Dan is still sick. When he was yelling or speaking loudly his voice would crack and fade. Other than that he seemed relatively okay!

I'm not surprised, but I wish that wasn't the case! Pneumonia lingers like a biiiiiiitch, and whilst I fully understand his desire to get over it as quickly as possible, I couldn't help be a little bit exasperated when he's been talking about it in LSs/on twitter recently and complaining the medication "wasn't working" etc...

[mysterylovescompany]

I'm probably going to do a write up on the melb show on the tatinof thread sometime soon but the only thing I guess relevant to the main thread is that it was obvious during the show that Dan is still sick. When he was yelling or speaking loudly his voice would crack and fade. Other than that he seemed relatively okay!

I went to the evening melb show and thought this too! Especially at the start, his voice sounded off to me (but I've never heard him irl before, so idk). He sounded a bit congested as well as hoarse at times. Of course, he also did have a show earlier the same day, so that could have contributed. I forgot about it by the end of the show (got too caught up, lol).

[swofro]

phan talk:

i like to believe my general phan opinion is 'their lives and actions simply make a lot more sense if they are together, but i'm open to being proven wrong' but when things like this happen i go full on 'oh my god am i insane? am i so far down the phan conspiracy theory trash can i can't see the sun? AM I A LARRY???!?!' panic.

Sorry double posting but I have to quote this because this is literally me

[bear]

About the whole #roomgate thing.
Of course they filmed themselves on different beds. Most of their subscribers are causal fans who think they're platonic bros because that's how they brand themselves. If they were on the same bed, everyone would freak. And Phil said he was sharing it with someone? That makes no sense.
If there new viewers watching that video, that would show that they were just friends and the viewer would move on. What could they have done? If they skipped the whole waking up thing, that would be giving. If they shared a bed, that would be giving.
I do get all the anti/agnostic's perspective too, a bit of my trashy heart is upset.
Honestly, the future will tell the truth. They'll either move out (if they are I'm guessing soon) or gonna continue to stay together.

[timtam]

I'm probably going to do a write up on the melb show on the tatinof thread sometime soon but the only thing I guess relevant to the main thread is that it was obvious during the show that Dan is still sick. When he was yelling or speaking loudly his voice would crack and fade. Other than that he seemed relatively okay!

I went to the evening melb show and thought this too! Especially at the start, his voice sounded off to me (but I've never heard him irl before, so idk). He sounded a bit congested as well as hoarse at times. Of course, he also did have a show earlier the same day, so that could have contributed. I forgot about it by the end of the show (got too caught up, lol).

I also thought it was because I've never heard him irl before! But Phil sounded the same and that's when I realised it was because he was still sick. I forgot about it by the end of the show too but it was particularly obvious when he was doing really high pitched voices. I didn't hear it during the singing so it wasn't too bad. I went to the matinee show so I can imagine his voice was probably feeling it by the end of the second one!

[anathema]

This whole room thing is fucking me up and I honestly wish it wasn't. But for some reason, a weird part of me takes this whole room thing as more proof they are together. If they are together, they obviously don't want people to know, or else they would have come out already. And this whole "we are NOT sharing a room thing" very intentionally sends the message. I feel like they would only be so strongly against the idea of people thinking they were together if they actually are dating. If they're just friends, why would they care? I just wish they would stop screwing with us though. Pick how you want people to perceive your relationship and stick with it! Sorry if this doesn't make any sense, I'm running on about four hours of sleep.

[xix]

Hi! This is my first post so excuse me probably not making much sense.
Tbh in a way I feel for D+P because yes they're making a lot of money and are able to live comfortably, but imo they're kind of stuck. Do they A) Deny Phan and lose a lot of followers or B) Keep it ambiguous and risk more people getting annoyed at them?
I can't imagine it's a fun way to live constantly being so shady about your private life and always having to watch what you say/how you look at someone

[blueapple_x]

Waves are back.

And also:

Looks like he painted his nails

[trashqueen]

i'm just gonna take one for the team and say this, can we all, as a community of human beings that respect that sometimes people have different opinions, agree to not go full shit storm because of the nails things once again? we have had this conversation at least 3 times in the last few months and all know the two sides of this argument very well and the two are valid and no one's gonna change their mind, so can we just.... not?

sorry if i'm over stepping some kind of mod boundary or shutting down possible topics of conversations by saying this, i just feel like for some reason this topic is unnecessarily controversial here and i don't think anyone really wants to read 10 pages about nail polish again, but once an argument starts it's very hard to bite your tongue and not participate, so maybe we can all agree to keep it at a superficial 'yay nails'/'idc'/'sighhhh' level and don't let the shit storm begin?

yay? nay? mikaela stfu ur not a mod?

[Ticia]

My subconscious reaction to Dan painting his nails (although I objectively shouldn't give a f*ck).





Other than that, I agree with Mikaela, let's agree to disagree on the nail-polish thing plz

[bear]

Waves are back.

And also:

Looks like he painted his nails

He did. Unless it was the fan, which I don't think it is. okay if I'm being honest I'm really happy he painted his nails. I also don't think it was peer pressure, if it was he'd have snapchat now.
I agree to disagree and keep it at a low level. I don't want any shit storms either

[gnostic]

Waves are back.

And also:

Looks like he painted his nails

Now THIS is interesting. Wonder if he did it (nail polish) bc he wanted to, or to give fans what they want / get them off his back, or what. I guess time will tell

[trashqueen]

you know what, the only thing i want to say about this is that i am, once again, impressed with idb and whoever spotted that he was growing his nails this past week, go us for being creepily observant and predicting the future

also maybe we kinda need to stop doing that?, the second book, the youtube red thing, their pokemon go team, now the nails, we keep ruining all the surprises for ourselves

jk that's the fun part

[blueapple_x]

Prepare yourselves.
(In case they delete the tweet, it says Dan didn't want to let someone take a pic of his nails because he's posting a pic to instagram later)

[RachelPhan]

*Notices Dan has painted his nails*
*Runs straight to IDB eyes rolling out of my head all the way*

[danphil333]

i opened twitter five minutes ago, saw the phandom talking about about dans nails and freaking out and now i want to delete the internet and crawl into a cave.

how does people these days have so many feelings and opinions on NAILS?

no its actually sad

i just saw a comment saying something like: "everything would be different from now on the world is a better place"