Dan & Phil part 26: You’ve got an impressive length

[pilotlight]

Well that was a fun way to spend an evening. I'm just glad my husband is a D&P fan too, I don't think I would have enjoyed watching it by myself as much. Having someone else there to cringe/appreciate with made it better. Kind of regretting that we didn't go the drinking game route, though.

I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said, so I'll try keep it short.

-Enjoyed the show overall, but man, in some parts the cringe was uncomfortably strong (The live fan fiction was almost unbearable, aaaggghhhh.)
-Seeing the shots of the audience made me feel ancient and I'm only Dan's age. I'm sure the show would be great in person, but I think I would stand out like a sore thumb.
-Loved Phil's magic tricks. I've always been jealous of people who can pull off even simple tricks, so consider me suitably impressed.
-Love Phil in general, so many adorable moments.
-Really impressed in general by the amount of work that went into it all, way to go D&P.
-"We have to scrub whiskers off each other's faces". Oookay, there was someone backstage ready to just hold a flashlight so Phil could fix his hair, but of course you HAD to de-whisker each other personally. Cute, though.

About busgate and all that, I'm actually kind of glad they stuck to their usual platonic-ness? I was not really expecting anything else in the first place.
At least, if they are more than friends (I'm not really invested in one option or the other) I would feel uncomfortable if they had waited to confirm or strongly suggest a romantic relationship in their paid content. If that makes any sense?

That was not that short, sorry.

I'm suddenly understanding the top-of-the-page discomfort and wishing I had something more thoughtful to say.

[JoeAverage]

Also a small thing but did anyone else kind of love that in the bit from the trailer where Dan and the staff member are going through a suitcase and Phil's standing watching it turned out they were going through Phil's suitcase for Phil's shoes?

I did. It was really funny. I thought it was Dan's suitcase, and then it turned out to be Phil's.
Also laughed when they only produced left (or was it right?) side shoes.

This part got me good, srly fell in love with Phil all over again (i feel i say this every time i see him), he is just so precious,

Also, did you guys see Dan with his minion socks? i though he hated them ?
(btw how the hell do u upload an image from your saved folder here? i had to make an account in imgur and flickr in order to get a link for it)

Edit: i had to fix the url of the image like a 7759 times but now its working, fuck dan and his minion socks. (maybe they belong to phil? )

[lilMango]

Whew. It came out at 2:30 my time, by then I had already made it from work to class, class literally 3pm-8:30pm nonstop back to back, I rushed to get a sandwich and rushed home and immidiately turned on the docu (since I had already bought YTR earlier and all I needed her in the US was a subscription). I chose the docu because I had already seen the show in person. So this post is just for the docu as watching it and reading all your responses has brought me to nearly midnight. It's been a long journey here.

Well, watching the docu has convinced me to watch the professional tatinof show. I'm excited to be able to see their expressions and just see everything up close.

Re: the fanfiction part:
It was interesting to me that they kinda haru'd the fanfiction part of the show in the docu. Almost...almost as if to convey "yeah, that ended up looking dickish and baity, but we wrote it in 2014 and by time we got feedback on it, the show was set in stone. But yeah. Not proud of that." I honestly think that they thought the fanfiction segment would get lots of praise and evoke phangirl pants creaming, when in reality it induced at best eye-rolling and at worse actual feelings of upset and shipbaiting and "you're living a huge lie and selling it to me" and lots of bad stuff. Well done deppy!

Something people haven't brought up: potential suicide trigger warning: Dan mentioned that he loves it when people tell him that they were going through a hard time and their videos helped them. This was after at least one fan said they "saved her life." I have a huge problem with this. Countless people have told dan and phil that they're only alive because of them. That they were going to kill themselves and then decided not to because of Dan and Phil. I know that with telling them that you have good intentions, but imagine the immense pressure that puts on them to remain the same. The pressure that puts on them to never leave Youtube, and finally, the immense pressure that puts on them to never break up. I mean, they know as well as we do that the phandom would shrink by half if they were to break up/go separate ways, but now they have the added threat of some fans actually killing themselves if that happens. And that's just not pressure I'm comfortable with dan and phil having on them. Ever. But there's nothing I can do to stop people from saying that, and Dan is encouraging it, but he'd also kinda look like a dick if he didnt mention it. Out of obligation, he has to say that it's good to hear. But I can't imagine how that'd be good to hear. People don't like hearing that their best friend is only there because of them. It's unsettling. I've had people tell me that if I kill myself, they'll kill themselves. I've had people ask me to kill myself at the same time that they kill themselves. I'm sure that after reading that, you're like "woah, too far." Well what the fuck do you think dan and phil feel when they hear it over and over and over and over again? "Wow, hundreds of people havent killed themselves because of me...what if i change? what if i somehow fuck up?" Honestly this ties into my whole thing about they're keeping the ambiguity of phan in order to keep us around. If something major changes, they risk losing some of us.

Anyway, my next question is, is Chai Cameron single, to which sweetmm informed me he's never been seen with a girl, to which I asked, oh, is he a celebrity? Turns out he's a youtuber. Commence Opteration Chai Trash #1. I'm gonna Dan the fuck outta him. Stalker city. Until he loves me. Okay probably not, I'm too busy for that shit, but that'd be fucking nice. It was so nice to see a guy talking about dan and phil and saying theyre great, bonus hes hot...so...

#busgate. oooooooh #busgate. I'd like to start off by saying, I still believe. Hell, I was there for 2012. I really don't think it gets any worse than that. And I've come out of it alive. But that being said, if anything like it happens again, I'm fucking out. Just like dizzy said. If they make it super clear that theyre not dating in the future, I'm actually leaving. Because exploiting dedicated viewers, who have invested years in you, denying them of the truth, knowing they believe a lie, and cashing in on it...that's fucking vile. And I'm not going to jump to that conclusion because as Dizzy said, they're closeted. Someone brought up that they couldve been closeted to the entire crew. Which would be sad, yes, but to be honest, i wouldn't put it past them. Unless every damn crew member signed an agreement, theyd be risking a crew member leaking it, either out of ignorance, or just thinking the world should know, i don't know, any reason for leaking, and honestly I feel like the possibility of one out of however many crew members they had spilling the beans, I wouldn't put it past them to not come out to the crew. Anyway, that doesn't explain why Dan didn't fucking know how to get out of the bunk, and why his hair was straight, and he was already clearly awake, and why he hasn't complained about the bunk, why he hasnt been seriously injured by said bunk, etc. It's possible they shared the bed and didn't come out the crew. Like people said, best friends can sleep in the same bed, no problemo. Maybe they did alternate, which honestly I think they would've said they did if they had thought of it. Oh well. We still have a lot of unanswered questions. When I first saw the rock paper scissors thing, I got deeply upset, I was really mad. I had to take a break. I just felt hurt. This is not what we deserve. They know that phan is a huge part of why they're famous. So doing this to us is just cruel. But like people said, they prefaced it with the tweet long ago, and we shouldn't have expected anything else. At first I saw it as a phan denial, but the more I think about it...they had to choose between "yes we sleep in the same bed" which leans waaay more toward a phan confirmation than not, or saying they slept in separate beds, which says less about their relationship status but still leans on the no phano side. I feel like they almost didn't think of not even addressing the issue. That obviously would've been a good way to go. I'm going to convince myself that they didn't think of that, because I feel like going above and beyond to prove they didnt sleep together is really rude of them. okay, I think that concludes my rant.

I agree that the docu is too short. I was pretty upset when I heard the length earlier today. Dan said feature film length in the liveshow. wtf man...oh well. i just feel like they filmed so much they really couldve done a lot more with the docu. But oh well.

I did cry at the end, because damn, they've come a long way.

I approve this message

Watching TATINOF, the thing that annoyed me the most was definitely the fan fiction part. Some people think it's a tribute to the fan fiction world, but I think it's quite the opposite. It's almost mocking it. I'm all for mocking funny tropes, but when you barely acknowledge it outside of making fun of it, it's kind of a dick move to put it in your show as one of the main segments. Not to mention the ship-baiting aspect.

The whole show felt ship-baity to me. I guess I never fully realized how aware they are of the culture around shipping them, like... they know everything. It really makes you analyze everything they do even more, because you don't know what's genuine and what's there to make the fans scream and cry and look happy for the cameras.

It also felt like a children's show, but I suppose it was. It probably felt less exaggerated in person.

(Hey I'm gonna address what Eevee said about suicidal fans so if that triggers you, please don't read this paragraph)
Eevee, I couldn't agree more with your point about deppy saving people's lives. It makes me very uncomfortable every time I hear a fan say that or comment that on a creator's video. I can't imagine how it would make me feel if I was deppy. Honestly, I just hope and pray that people are seeking help outside of watching Youtube and that deppy don't lose sleep over worrying about how they affect the mental health of their viewers. It stresses me out just thinking about it.

I'm such Phil trash. His sick voice... the nose-poking... the shower bit was so funny... his magic trick practice... his overall happiness and the excitement radiating off of him... my son. I have no words.
They should sing more often. It wasn't bad. Their voice exercises were hilarious.

Ok I should sleep now

[Artdefines06]

Putting these last two posts in a spoiler because of length

Whew. It came out at 2:30 my time, by then I had already made it from work to class, class literally 3pm-8:30pm nonstop back to back, I rushed to get a sandwich and rushed home and immidiately turned on the docu (since I had already bought YTR earlier and all I needed her in the US was a subscription). I chose the docu because I had already seen the show in person. So this post is just for the docu as watching it and reading all your responses has brought me to nearly midnight. It's been a long journey here.

Well, watching the docu has convinced me to watch the professional tatinof show. I'm excited to be able to see their expressions and just see everything up close.

Re: the fanfiction part:
It was interesting to me that they kinda haru'd the fanfiction part of the show in the docu. Almost...almost as if to convey "yeah, that ended up looking dickish and baity, but we wrote it in 2014 and by time we got feedback on it, the show was set in stone. But yeah. Not proud of that." I honestly think that they thought the fanfiction segment would get lots of praise and evoke phangirl pants creaming, when in reality it induced at best eye-rolling and at worse actual feelings of upset and shipbaiting and "you're living a huge lie and selling it to me" and lots of bad stuff. Well done deppy!

Something people haven't brought up: potential suicide trigger warning: Dan mentioned that he loves it when people tell him that they were going through a hard time and their videos helped them. This was after at least one fan said they "saved her life." I have a huge problem with this. Countless people have told dan and phil that they're only alive because of them. That they were going to kill themselves and then decided not to because of Dan and Phil. I know that with telling them that you have good intentions, but imagine the immense pressure that puts on them to remain the same. The pressure that puts on them to never leave Youtube, and finally, the immense pressure that puts on them to never break up. I mean, they know as well as we do that the phandom would shrink by half if they were to break up/go separate ways, but now they have the added threat of some fans actually killing themselves if that happens. And that's just not pressure I'm comfortable with dan and phil having on them. Ever. But there's nothing I can do to stop people from saying that, and Dan is encouraging it, but he'd also kinda look like a dick if he didnt mention it. Out of obligation, he has to say that it's good to hear. But I can't imagine how that'd be good to hear. People don't like hearing that their best friend is only there because of them. It's unsettling. I've had people tell me that if I kill myself, they'll kill themselves. I've had people ask me to kill myself at the same time that they kill themselves. I'm sure that after reading that, you're like "woah, too far." Well what the fuck do you think dan and phil feel when they hear it over and over and over and over again? "Wow, hundreds of people havent killed themselves because of me...what if i change? what if i somehow fuck up?" Honestly this ties into my whole thing about they're keeping the ambiguity of phan in order to keep us around. If something major changes, they risk losing some of us.

Anyway, my next question is, is Chai Cameron single, to which sweetmm informed me he's never been seen with a girl, to which I asked, oh, is he a celebrity? Turns out he's a youtuber. Commence Opteration Chai Trash #1. I'm gonna Dan the fuck outta him. Stalker city. Until he loves me. Okay probably not, I'm too busy for that shit, but that'd be fucking nice. It was so nice to see a guy talking about dan and phil and saying theyre great, bonus hes hot...so...

#busgate. oooooooh #busgate. I'd like to start off by saying, I still believe. Hell, I was there for 2012. I really don't think it gets any worse than that. And I've come out of it alive. But that being said, if anything like it happens again, I'm fucking out. Just like dizzy said. If they make it super clear that theyre not dating in the future, I'm actually leaving. Because exploiting dedicated viewers, who have invested years in you, denying them of the truth, knowing they believe a lie, and cashing in on it...that's fucking vile. And I'm not going to jump to that conclusion because as Dizzy said, they're closeted. Someone brought up that they couldve been closeted to the entire crew. Which would be sad, yes, but to be honest, i wouldn't put it past them. Unless every damn crew member signed an agreement, theyd be risking a crew member leaking it, either out of ignorance, or just thinking the world should know, i don't know, any reason for leaking, and honestly I feel like the possibility of one out of however many crew members they had spilling the beans, I wouldn't put it past them to not come out to the crew. Anyway, that doesn't explain why Dan didn't fucking know how to get out of the bunk, and why his hair was straight, and he was already clearly awake, and why he hasn't complained about the bunk, why he hasnt been seriously injured by said bunk, etc. It's possible they shared the bed and didn't come out the crew. Like people said, best friends can sleep in the same bed, no problemo. Maybe they did alternate, which honestly I think they would've said they did if they had thought of it. Oh well. We still have a lot of unanswered questions. When I first saw the rock paper scissors thing, I got deeply upset, I was really mad. I had to take a break. I just felt hurt. This is not what we deserve. They know that phan is a huge part of why they're famous. So doing this to us is just cruel. But like people said, they prefaced it with the tweet long ago, and we shouldn't have expected anything else. At first I saw it as a phan denial, but the more I think about it...they had to choose between "yes we sleep in the same bed" which leans waaay more toward a phan confirmation than not, or saying they slept in separate beds, which says less about their relationship status but still leans on the no phano side. I feel like they almost didn't think of not even addressing the issue. That obviously would've been a good way to go. I'm going to convince myself that they didn't think of that, because I feel like going above and beyond to prove they didnt sleep together is really rude of them. okay, I think that concludes my rant.

I agree that the docu is too short. I was pretty upset when I heard the length earlier today. Dan said feature film length in the liveshow. wtf man...oh well. i just feel like they filmed so much they really couldve done a lot more with the docu. But oh well.

I did cry at the end, because damn, they've come a long way.

I approve this message

Watching TATINOF, the thing that annoyed me the most was definitely the fan fiction part. Some people think it's a tribute to the fan fiction world, but I think it's quite the opposite. It's almost mocking it. I'm all for mocking funny tropes, but when you barely acknowledge it outside of making fun of it, it's kind of a dick move to put it in your show as one of the main segments. Not to mention the ship-baiting aspect.

The whole show felt ship-baity to me. I guess I never fully realized how aware they are of the culture around shipping them, like... they know everything. It really makes you analyze everything they do even more, because you don't know what's genuine and what's there to make the fans scream and cry and look happy for the cameras.

It also felt like a children's show, but I suppose it was. It probably felt less exaggerated in person.

(Hey I'm gonna address what Eevee said about suicidal fans so if that triggers you, please don't read this paragraph)
Eevee, I couldn't agree more with your point about deppy saving people's lives. It makes me very uncomfortable every time I hear a fan say that or comment that on a creator's video. I can't imagine how it would make me feel if I was deppy. Honestly, I just hope and pray that people are seeking help outside of watching Youtube and that deppy don't lose sleep over worrying about how they affect the mental health of their viewers. It stresses me out just thinking about it.

I'm such Phil trash. His sick voice... the nose-poking... the shower bit was so funny... his magic trick practice... his overall happiness and the excitement radiating off of him... my son. I have no words.
They should sing more often. It wasn't bad. Their voice exercises were hilarious.

Ok I should sleep now

I was thinking about the professional camera crew, who were outside of the core group of merch/stage manager/security etc. Maybe they were only there the first day/overnight for florida, then didn't show up again until wherever they did the map scene (which could have been anywhere, and who knows who was behind the cameras for any of this honestly) and then again in hollywood. I'm basing this all on when they had mic's attached to their shirts. That would only be one confirmed overnight, the first one, with a stranger on the bus which would explain the awkwardness. The rest of the tour could have been trusted crew with contracts.

It bothered me that they never showed any other people on the bus that next morning. Either they were all still busy at playlist selling merch, or the other venue was close enough they could drive? That is why I think the breakfast scene was after (or before, just throw on some pj's and look grumpy) the first show and still in Florida.

It is also possible that the diva dan is just a persona as well, and he was really just so happy to be living out his dreams he easily gave up the bed to his senpai elderly travel sick companion and dealt with occasional bunk spine curvature. The truth is unless they tell us, we will never know. I don't think we really deserve to.

Speaking of which, can anyone confirm that the initial bus scene was in fact filmed in florida? Dan is wearing the same socks he wore at the end of the show, and the palm trees could be florida or hollywood tbh. Could they have fake filmed the "look how big the tour bus is!!" bit at the end of the tour?

Also I looked for myself in every audience bit and they did not use the daytime audience. Maybe the daytime show was just a camera run through for the night time filming? I seem to be the only one who cares but it bothers me because they said they were filming that one, so that's the one I went too.

[eevee]

okay I will reply to yall tomorrow but quick side note:

Why the FUCK do they get their makeup done only to wipe it off with their cat whiskers later????????????

[Phantasy]

Not much left to be said, but...

Show:

Holy hands on your hips, Dan!
Dan was so animated and even frenetic at times, but given the context of the show, and the "character" he was playing, I think it still played off well enough. Phil in contrast had such a natural stage presence, he really balanced his quirkiness with an energetic, but not over the top, performance—I was really impressed with him.

Overall enjoyed it very much and appreciated the effort and dedication more than anything.

Docu:

Okay, yes, I build up expectations and it's my own fault when reality backfires. I expected more of a glass-closet/ haru situation, and things were going so well until #busgate... as soon as he jumped off that bunk, my heart sank, not because I was expecting them to hold hands coming out of the bedroom and kiss good morning, but because after all this time, and what I perceived to be progress this year, albeit slowwww, they choose to presume their audience are idiots. As many have pointed out, there are legit logistical reasons why a 6'4" man would not reasonably be expected to cram himself in a cubby hole for 2 months, and for them to nohomo the situation is just insulting to most of the audience.

Otherwise, I thought it was well produced and on par with what I anticipated, it really was an epic achievement—though I was hopeful for a bit more lint-rolling moments, and a few less staged opining and scripted set ups.

(Other thought... There was also virtually no touching throughout, other than pushing off the bed and said lint-rolling, which I guess isn't too off base for them, but it would have been a nice gesture to show how much the whole journey means to them personally and for them to have accomplished it together as friends—or in whatever capacity. At times it felt a bit disconnected like they are brand ambassadors of the D&P universe and they were thankful on behalf of the D&P brand and all those who contributed to the show's success, but stopped short of what it all means in the grand scheme of their relationship. I get and appreciate that this type of sincerity probably happens out of the spotlight, but I don't think it would have been too inauthentic or fan-servicy if they embraced or even high-fived after the show to register the culmination of all their hard work—just feels like an omission to me. I wanted more insight into their growth (or even challenges) as friends during the whole adventure, and glossing over it make it feel a little too neat and polished.)

[trashqueen]

i'm like 4 pages behind but i just finished watching the docu and if i don't to this now i'm gonna forget

general docu thoughts:

i'm doing bulletpoints bc i'm lazy:

- i really cringed at the first 6 or 7 minutes, idk why, i think it's just what took me to get into the right mindset to watch something like that

- i'm genuinely annoyed at the amount of unnecessary acted parts, i didn't expect it to be a full on ditl, but i also wasn't expecting a tatinof 2.0

- that said the few candid moments we got were gold

- i'm replaying the part of dan filming phil in bed for the rest of my life

- the fan interviews are so awkward and boring and unnecessary, god why

- i want someone to cut all the vloggy bits and put them in a youtube video so i can rewatch that when i feel like marathoning the ditls bc i'm not sitting through this entire hour again

- i cannot fucking believe we didn't see them hug after the dolby show, what the fuck deppy, i need to believe that they did hug and didn't film it, because if they didn't i find that really sad idk why (as someone else said i question their platonic relationship more than their romantic one for shit like this)

- loved that out of the probably hundreds of fan hugs they filmed they included the one with the girl that gave them a pride flag

- i still don't understand the physics of this:



and that's all i can think of right now

busgate (bc of fucking course it deserves it's own rant)

okay so i read a couple pages of you guys thoughts and ngl i'm surprised so many of you are shocked or upset over how they went with the bed situation? maybe it's because i don't see them coming out in years (or like, ever) but this was exactly what i expected

actually, it was better than expected, they filmed the whole 'battling over the bed' situation in a obviously jokey way, and even dan getting out of the bunk looks like a joke to me

what i wished for but didn't think it would happen (bc of the tweets from hell) was that they would haru it, but again, not surprised i didn't get what i wanted

and we got the lovely clip of dan messing with a sick sleeping phil in bed, that lowkey felt like a 'soz for the bed situation bullshit' to me

also i completely agree with what dizzy said (who's surprised lmao) about the pressure that making their relationship public would put on them and what that has done to other youtube couples, i absolutely 100% understand their reasons and i'm pretty sure i would do the same in their situation

that being said, again as dizzy said, the second they confirm they are not and have never been together i'm getting the fuck out, that's why i'm so set on them being a couple, because the other option is that they are profiting on emotional manipulation and queerbaiting to me, and i'm not here for that

and just in case (and i feel like i'm getting unnecessary defensive here but i think this is a valid response that someone may come up with) someone throws the 'but they tried denying it before and it didn't work!' line at me. yeah true, in 2012, in a really passive aggressive sometimes even homophobic way, plus, the internet was a completely different place in 2012, the understanding of what is offensive or problematic was completely different, the way people shipped real person ships was completely different, gay ships specifically were (imo) way more fetishized, and that wasn't really questioned as it is today. they have to be aware that nowadays the internet and the phandom are in a complete different place, and that they are way more mature in the way they communicate with their audience, and to me that means that if they really wanted to put an end to the phan speculation they could, if they address it directly and in a sincere way and explained the main points that make people believe they are together i think i would believe them.

god that paragraph is a mess but i refuse to re read it

how did this go from bed to random rant about phan i'm so sorry

now i'm off to watch tatinof and at some point i'm gonna catch up on the thread

[teamug]

I have yet to watch the movie or doc, I'd use the free trial but I don't want to give google any more personal info than it already has. (Since when do you need to give a credit card number and address for a free trial.)
But I have enjoyed reading everyones' very varied reviews. Thank you. I've felt all your highs and lows.

Not surprised that the doc is as scripted as the movie. Way way back when ytr was first announced google basically bullied ytubers to join ytr, threatening to 'hide' videos if they did not join Red. I wish I could find the article I read back then, but there were serious concerns raised about the amount of creative control that youtube/google would have over content. As for deps, I'd imagine it is hard to be relaxed and ones self when surrounded by a camera crew.

One thing just came to mind. In the variety article (http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/da ... 201877905/) it ends with business stuff, dates, books and for the first time that I see, their manager by name. Have I just missed her name elsewhere in articles? Just wondering, don't even know why I'm curious.

[canvasoflife]

While content has been covered for the most part, and I have no stance on #busgate whatsoever, I did have some thoughts on the TATINOF movie and the documentary.

The show:

Watching this filmed version of TATINOF was quite a different experience than being at the show in person. I felt like Dan really overacted at the start but toned it down over time. I don't remember getting that impression at the show I saw. Maybe it was the pressure of knowing this would be the show they'd film and present to the world and it was just nerves? Phil on the other hand came across much more natural and at ease. Phil's stage presence was the one thing I kept getting drawn to while I was at the show and it doesn't nearly get captured as well here as I'd hoped. Overall, it was a good effort to capture the live show.

I appreciated seeing Dan during Existential Crisis with his sweaty face up close in high definition while lying on that floor. I think I probably spent more time glancing back and forth only to notice Phil really hadn't broken a sweat in contrast. Is that weird?

Things I never want to see again: Dan and Phil twerking, the cringey-ness factor of the intro with the mounting the lion/llama, the bizarre giant Dil head

Favorite part: The final song and dance number. As a musical theatre geek, I live for that even though they're not amazing singers or dancers. You can see how much effort went into getting it right.

The documentary:

Way too short I definitely had a smile on my face after it was over. Sure, there were more scripted parts than I expected, but I thought it was fitting for this. It's all those other behind-the-scenes stories I wish they would share with us now that these videos are out. I could have done with a 3 hour documentary. I loved seeing the miniature set design for TATINOF. The few seconds in this documentary weren't nearly enough. I would have loved to see what some of the other concepts were.

Also, I like mundane details. I wanted to know all the planning stuff - how they decided which cities to go to, all the drafts of "The Internet is Here" (as I'm sure Dan didn't get it perfect in one go), more discussion on costumes (how they got to the gold or red/white/blue jackets) and sourcing of their show outfits, did they have a favorite venue, Phil learning magic tricks from his friend Chris Cox, some snapshots of the merch unloading/setup, the nightly process for unloading/setup/break-down of the set, and everything else in between.

Tour bus scene - I laughed at the whole storage part and the shower curtain part. Rock, paper, scissors and the whole who gets the bed part - eh, don't really care one way or another. To me, they don't seem like guys who are ruthless and uncaring so much they're willing to manipulate their audience. If that is the case, I'd walk away. Whatever their relationship is, I think Dan and Phil care too much about what people will think of them and carefully construct a narrative around that.

Map scene - did that sign say "Please use the bottom door"? That went by so fast I might need to re-watch just to double check...

[kay]

i'm like 4 pages behind but i just finished watching the docu and if i don't to this now i'm gonna forget

general docu thoughts:

i'm doing bulletpoints bc i'm lazy:

- i really cringed at the first 6 or 7 minutes, idk why, i think it's just what took me to get into the right mindset to watch something like that

- i'm genuinely annoyed at the amount of unnecessary acted parts, i didn't expect it to be a full on ditl, but i also wasn't expecting a tatinof 2.0

- that said the few candid moments we got were gold

- i'm replaying the part of dan filming phil in bed for the rest of my life

- the fan interviews are so awkward and boring and unnecessary, god why

- i want someone to cut all the vloggy bits and put them in a youtube video so i can rewatch that when i feel like marathoning the ditls bc i'm not sitting through this entire hour again

- i cannot fucking believe we didn't see them hug after the dolby show, what the fuck deppy, i need to believe that they did hug and didn't film it, because if they didn't i find that really sad idk why (as someone else said i question their platonic relationship more than their romantic one for shit like this)

- loved that out of the probably hundreds of fan hugs they filmed they included the one with the girl that gave them a pride flag

- i still don't understand the physics of this:



and that's all i can think of right now

busgate (bc of fucking course it deserves it's own rant)

okay so i read a couple pages of you guys thoughts and ngl i'm surprised so many of you are shocked or upset over how they went with the bed situation? maybe it's because i don't see them coming out in years (or like, ever) but this was exactly what i expected

actually, it was better than expected, they filmed the whole 'battling over the bed' situation in a obviously jokey way, and even dan getting out of the bunk looks like a joke to me

what i wished for but didn't think it would happen (bc of the tweets from hell) was that they would haru it, but again, not surprised i didn't get what i wanted

and we got the lovely clip of dan messing with a sick sleeping phil in bed, that lowkey felt like a 'soz for the bed situation bullshit' to me

also i completely agree with what dizzy said (who's surprised lmao) about the pressure that making their relationship public would put on them and what that has done to other youtube couples, i absolutely 100% understand their reasons and i'm pretty sure i would do the same in their situation

that being said, again as dizzy said, the second they confirm they are not and have never been together i'm getting the fuck out, that's why i'm so set on them being a couple, because the other option is that they are profiting on emotional manipulation and queerbaiting to me, and i'm not here for that

and just in case (and i feel like i'm getting unnecessary defensive here but i think this is a valid response that someone may come up with) someone throws the 'but they tried denying it before and it didn't work!' line at me. yeah true, in 2012, in a really passive aggressive sometimes even homophobic way, plus, the internet was a completely different place in 2012, the understanding of what is offensive or problematic was completely different, the way people shipped real person ships was completely different, gay ships specifically were (imo) way more fetishized, and that wasn't really questioned as it is today. they have to be aware that nowadays the internet and the phandom are in a complete different place, and that they are way more mature in the way they communicate with their audience, and to me that means that if they really wanted to put an end to the phan speculation they could, if they address it directly and in a sincere way and explained the main points that make people believe they are together i think i would believe them.

god that paragraph is a mess but i refuse to re read it

how did this go from bed to random rant about phan i'm so sorry

now i'm off to watch tatinof and at some point i'm gonna catch up on the thread

You pretty much hit the nail on the head for me about everything.

For the doc, no, I wasn't expecting them to come out or say phan is real or anything that outlandish but I don't think I was reaching for the stars hoping they'd be a bit more ditl and a bit less tatinof (I refuse to use the P word but you better believe I thought it a thousand times watching this). I really enjoyed the self-filmed vloggy bits, the rehearsals footage, etc. The interview clips, for the most part, felt so staged. #bedgate and #hotelroomgate and #bunkgate or whatever, felt so forced not only for the really poorly acted reactions (hello there staged rock-paper-scissors game and perfectly-ironed bunk hair) but also there was absolutely no reason to put any of this in the doc. They aren't stupid, they do things for a reason, why not just haru the whole thing and call it a day? The hardcore fans (read: us) will know speculate the truth about #bedgate, the lowkey/less-involved fans will be none the wiser and that's enough. But again, this is more about what I hoped for/wanted and what I knew was realistic/what we'd get. No, I didn't want them making out on camera or confirming phan, but (obvious disclaimer here is obvious) a little less no homo and a little more ambiguity would have sufficed just fine. I know it doesn't sound like it, but overall I really did enjoy it. The really lovely parts outweighed the nitpicky gripes I had with it. The America map part, the horrible dancing, the complete absolute fail of Phil rehearsing magic and pulling it off by the end, Niagara, sick Phil. Probably not something I'd watch entirely through more than a couple of times, but would definitely re-watch the parts I liked over and over again.

[papierklemmen]

after reading all your reviews i'm starting to feel kind of bad for them. i feel like it's a lose/lose situation for them regardless of whether they're dating or not. they're literally trapped in the hell of their own making aka 'phan'.

about fans unstanning them if they are not dating

i'm really surprised to see you guys say that you would peace out if they ever announce they're not dating. i don't really see how they've been "deceiving" anyone. i can't remember a single moment in the last three years that could be 100% interpreted as them being together, while there have been a lot of very obvious nudge nudge wink wink shipping jokes. they've acknowledged that their fandom is basically based on the ship and have made it their schtick to exaggerate everything to the point of dan staring directly into the camera and zooming in on his face, winking, during any moments that he knows could be used as proof™. is it shipbaiting? yes, but it's very obvious shipbaiting, that screams "FAKE SHIP". they don't cross the line into the real world, don't show any real moments of intimacy. are they cashing in on this? certainly, but hey, that's what their fans want.

it makes me sad that people are saying they would leave if d&p come clear as not being together, because i feel like it's one of the many reasons why they don't share their personal lives with the internet. if anything, i wish they wouldn't be scared to be more open(if they are not dating, that is), maybe then we could get real moments of friendship and escape the hells of busgates when they can't share a bed or even talk about it just because they know people might interpret it in the wrong way.

in other words, i tried watching tatinof and...

.........i couldn't even get through the first 5 minutes i had a cringe attack™ dan howell ltd and just started scrolling aimlessly through the video. i ended up on the cowboys bit, had a serious case of painful secondhand embarrassment and turned it off. maybe one day, when i'm that old woman from the book trailer i'll watch it with my granddaughter so she could facepalm at what our generation stanned

[000dia000]

Okay, okay. I've had a good nights sleep and can finally make a better articulated post then whatever I attempted late last night (kudos to dizzy for fixing my post and putting in that spoilers, thank youuuu )

Maybe my heart is dead to the world for a long time already but I didn't really mind the bedgate that much and was like "lol whatevs okay, you didn't sleep together, k, then, whatevs you say " like I said something that staged I'm always going to be over anyways, even if I do kind of accept the #nophano at the moment (give me a few days I'll be believing trash again, it always happens, lol)

But like so many other people I'm really, really sad that their obvious on screen relationship is so warped and no touching that they cant even show themselves give a bromantic hug or congratulatory high five. It kind of makes me sad how they're trapped in this situation, I don't blame the Phandom for this though, it's something they have chosen and continue to choose foe themselves so my sympathy stops short there

Regarding YouTube Red: I'm really angry. I think they fucked up not granting more creative control to deppy because I feel that they would have included more? The "documentary" was wayyyyyy too short

Regarding the show: I cringes during the fanfic and audience panning but I don't know how some of you guys cant watch segments at all, I thought our boys were on point I have to admit though, can Dil die now? I don't want him as a brand. He's a cringe brand, now he's not your fucking son, he's a Sim character. Get a dog ffs

What I loved: Everything
In particular: When deppy asked for the WiFi password and were delighted and shocked to find THEY WERE the WiFi password. True success IMO
Their director was well chosen and lovely and I felt like he truly understood deppy as creative equals and worked well together, same with their other co-workers
"Let's go home." Will always be the death of me

Conclusion: Salty I paid for both the shows seeing as I'm seeing clear under the table dealing here lol you guys have no shame I love it. Nevertheless the shows are enjoyable enough but the documentary would have been like a 9/10 for ne if it was longer, at the moment it's a 7.5/10 so idk it's so-so lol I'm looking forward to them HOPEFULLY making more consistent content and it's great seeing you guys post-TATINOF era

[Cora]

Ok, I finally just finished watching the doc and I'm overwhelmed with complex emotions right now, so I'll try to type up something more extensive later, but I just have to report this right now...

Holy shit, you guys. hiddenwombat and I totally got featured in the documentary.

[tigertatze]

Did not expect them to come out. Nobody was that naive. It would be easy for them to haru it but instead they made 3 minutes of an hour video about their fake bed situation. Even if it was a big joke like some people said it was a waste of time and only gave people negative feelings when they could have harued it and made phans and anti phans satisfied.

#busgate. oooooooh #busgate. I'd like to start off by saying, I still believe. Hell, I was there for 2012. I really don't think it gets any worse than that. And I've come out of it alive. But that being said, if anything like it happens again, I'm fucking out. Just like dizzy said. If they make it super clear that theyre not dating in the future, I'm actually leaving. Because exploiting dedicated viewers, who have invested years in you, denying them of the truth, knowing they believe a lie, and cashing in on it...that's fucking vile. And I'm not going to jump to that conclusion because as Dizzy said, they're closeted. Someone brought up that they couldve been closeted to the entire crew. Which would be sad, yes, but to be honest, i wouldn't put it past them. Unless every damn crew member signed an agreement, theyd be risking a crew member leaking it, either out of ignorance, or just thinking the world should know, i don't know, any reason for leaking, and honestly I feel like the possibility of one out of however many crew members they had spilling the beans, I wouldn't put it past them to not come out to the crew. Anyway, that doesn't explain why Dan didn't fucking know how to get out of the bunk, and why his hair was straight, and he was already clearly awake, and why he hasn't complained about the bunk, why he hasnt been seriously injured by said bunk, etc. It's possible they shared the bed and didn't come out the crew. Like people said, best friends can sleep in the same bed, no problemo. Maybe they did alternate, which honestly I think they would've said they did if they had thought of it. Oh well. We still have a lot of unanswered questions. When I first saw the rock paper scissors thing, I got deeply upset, I was really mad. I had to take a break. I just felt hurt. This is not what we deserve. They know that phan is a huge part of why they're famous. So doing this to us is just cruel. But like people said, they prefaced it with the tweet long ago, and we shouldn't have expected anything else. At first I saw it as a phan denial, but the more I think about it...they had to choose between "yes we sleep in the same bed" which leans waaay more toward a phan confirmation than not, or saying they slept in separate beds, which says less about their relationship status but still leans on the no phano side. I feel like they almost didn't think of not even addressing the issue. That obviously would've been a good way to go. I'm going to convince myself that they didn't think of that, because I feel like going above and beyond to prove they didnt sleep together is really rude of them. okay, I think that concludes my rant.

to both of you, definitely agree with this.

How people don't consider their actions ship-/qu**rbaiting if they're not together I can't wrap my head around.. (Disclaimer: I do believe they are but still)

[trashqueen]

about fans unstanning them if they are not dating

i'm really surprised to see you guys say that you would peace out if they ever announce they're not dating. i don't really see how they've been "deceiving" anyone. i can't remember a single moment in the last three years that could be 100% interpreted as them being together, while there have been a lot of very obvious nudge nudge wink wink shipping jokes. they've acknowledged that their fandom is basically based on the ship and have made it their schtick to exaggerate everything to the point of dan staring directly into the camera and zooming in on his face, winking, during any moments that he knows could be used as proof™. is it shipbaiting? yes, but it's very obvious shipbaiting, that screams "FAKE SHIP". they don't cross the line into the real world, don't show any real moments of intimacy. are they cashing in on this? certainly, but hey, that's what their fans want.

it makes me sad that people are saying they would leave if d&p come clear as not being together, because i feel like it's one of the many reasons why they don't share their personal lives with the internet. if anything, i wish they wouldn't be scared to be more open(if they are not dating, that is), maybe then we could get real moments of friendship and escape the hells of busgates when they can't share a bed or even talk about it just because they know people might interpret it in the wrong way.

idk why tf i am putting this under a spoiler it has nothing to do with the docu but idk just in case

i guess my emotional threshold for feeling bad for the poor platonic guys becoming millionaires out of the ambiguity of their relationship is not very wide but honestly i have 0 empathy, if they are genuinely not together then they created their phan hell problem themselves and are even cashing in on it big time, i find nothing to be sad for in this situation

also i don't include any of the obvious jokey phan references as what makes it look like they are a couple, i don't mind ship baiting at all when everyone involved is 100% aware that it is all a joke, but some things they do that keep their relationship ambiguous for me include:
- the way they tip toe around relationship related things on sims videos
- the fact that they haven't directly said they are not together in 4 years
- bullshit overcomplicated explanations like busgate that would only make logical sense if they were trying to hide something (like seriously, if they are not together, what was the thought process here, 'okay let's think of the hardest to believe lie about how we slept on the bus and go with that to make sure no one will believe us'?, why would they care so much if they weren't together?)
- bullshit lies like pretending they aren't watching a show together, like the fucking tv/bed/making a murderer situation, or that time dan said he was talking on the phone 'to someone' only for phil to show up on the later on the liveshow and fuck up saying dan had called him

[mysterylovescompany]

Well. I slept in this morning, scrupulously avoided IDB, redeemed my free YTR trial and watched both movies this afternoon. Then I checked IDB, and I almost wish I hadn't, because the amount of focus on #busgate kinda ruined the happy feeling I got from finishing the doc (yeah, I watched the show first). So here are a few thoughts.

Re tatinof:

Tatinof was extremely like the show I went to, but I'm not really surprised. At my show, (I think) there was a Dil doll and even art of Dan and Shrek that Dan said was a "gateway to the furry fandom" (I know the girl who submitted that one). But there were also some other crafty corner pieces that weren't in the film at all, so I think it's safe to say that the phandom has many common ideas that manifest into similar submissions.

The bit that made me laugh out loud was the shot of the girl in the audience hugging her own foot. I do wish we had alternate paths for the fanfic part though.

Re the doc and the busgate fiasco:

I never like to say I "ship" rl people, because they ARE rl people, after all, but I will say that I think deppy are together. But was I expecting anything other than what we saw in the doc re busgate? No. One, it would extremely dodgy of deppy to put something obviously supporting phan behind a paywall. Two, yes, the doc was scripted, and during the whole doc I was watching to see who was holding the camera (deppy or someone else). Like the scene on the roof. Deppy pretend to be having a casual conversation, but they obviously brought a cameraperson along with them, and I don't find anything wrong with that. So no, I'm not going to hold the doc as the be-all and reveal-all, because it's not meant to be that at all.

Yes, it made me a little disappointed at the time, ngl, but it also immediately made me a bit guilty for spending all my time here and focusing too much on busgate instead of the story of tatinof and the world of Dan and Phil that they're showing us. Yes, I still believe phan is real, whatever that means. No, I don't think busgate has any significance when it comes to phan. If they decide to come out rn or not come out right now or never come out then that is their prerogative. I definitely don't want to force anyone into coming out, or assume too much about their private lives.

That said, I liked the doc a lot, even though I would have wanted it longer, and I feel it accurately conveys the amount of personal life vs professional life that deppy are willing to share with their audience. And I'm happy with that.

To talk about the doc itself ... I'm glad I watched it. The bits that deppy shot of each other were lovely. Deppy were so fond and I really think it showed in how they acted around each other compared to how they act on stage, where everything is a performance. Of course, I don't think they completely let down their guard, because they were filming after all, but I do think the more candid clips are more real. But who am I to know?

Nice to see Cornelia in the bg and Drake in the fg.

tl;dr: I liked both movies, I don't think think busgate has any significance, I still believe phan is real, dizzy is my senpai. Namaste

edit: congrats to cora and hiddenwombat! i knew i detected an aussie accent in the doc.

[JoeAverage]

- bullshit lies like pretending they aren't watching a show together, like the fucking tv/bed/making a murderer situation, or that time dan said he was talking on the phone 'to someone' only for phil to show up on the later on the liveshow and fuck up saying dan had called him

Sorry for the change of topic, but does anyone remember the date of the liveshow where this happened? i have been meaning to find this one for a while now, and now that u mentioned it, I cant stop myself from asking

[kuensukki]

Well that was an emotional roller coaster and I loved every moment of it

TATINOF

Honestly watched the live show and I felt like thats all I need. First off the lighting in the "professional cameras" suck and also TATINOF is a show that must be experienced live to get the full effect. Its the rush of seeing them come out onto stage and wave at you, and studying their movements and interactions and feeling at one with the audience. Yes the show is meant to be cringe so you can laugh at it with the people around you. It doesn't work as well with a laptop at home

DOCUMENTARY

I have mixed feelings about the documentary so grab a chamomile tea because its going to be a roller coaster of emotions and this is probably going to be stupidly long. First watch I loved it, second watch I was more critical:

What I liked:
. Ed was lovely and hearing him talk about Deppy was really heartwarming because it was an outside member appreciating them and their hard work

Magic show Phil was so endearing and beautiful. Dancing Deppy was beautiful as well especially comparing Dans body to Phils.

The lint part was beautiful

Phil taking initiative and emailing gave me more of the sense the Phil is the one that works behind the scenes to make sure everything goes smoothy.

Dan as Dil chasing Phil while all the crew look at them like their two little giggly dorks running around to get each others attention (the old guy ships it)

The pillow scene and Phil's sickness got replayed 33 times. The way he pursed and woke up unfazed by Dan looking over him

Phil's packing skills need work- who packs three shoes- and when they tease him about it he makes such a sassy, indignant face

Phils insistent clutching of the pillow throughout the documentary was reallt cute. You can see him in every dressing room he has his pilllow clutched to his chest which makes me believe he's not one to take any change positively. He holds on to what's familiar around him to make sense of the present.

#Busgate was fucking hilarious and a homage to all the sherlocking we did here- yea they ripped us to shreds (more on this later) but the editing and music and everything was so hilarious that I couldn't help but giggle.

Phil winning in gambling and the voice warm ups were amazing. I have to give it up to Dan for getting it all down and so much effort into being perfect.In every scene I could see how hard he was trying to be the best that he can.

the negative:

The beginning was cute but I was left unsatisfied because they didn't address how they go to the point of filming a video together for the first time, just that they did

The weird ass eye contact when filming the map part was like a road trip themed romantic comedy where Phil is being the energetic person while Dan is stuck with him for the trip. The western background music didn't help their case- like it felt so scripted, even the scene where Phils just looking out the window

The vegas scene being left a mystery.

the no phanoing

The need to justify every touch they made onscreen even the rubbing off each others cat whiskers portion

The heavy persona especially on Dan's side. eevee you made a really great point which Id like to expand. Dan for me in this doc was very persona heavy and that kinda overshadowed his portion in the film. He kept doing the brand facepalms and eyerolls at Phil when he could have just been enjoying the moment and acting naturally. Also having heard all his words didnt really move me because as well as they might sound on paper they sounded too scripted and cheesy to take seriously in real life. That being said he's a damn hard worker and I feel like that should be recognized and respected. Also he has no bad angles, like stop being so pretty

I think in terms of who really shone in this documentary and made it special I would have to give that honor to Phil. I think for once, he was able to play a really big role in a video that they both star in and completely drop the AP persona and fuck is it beautiful. I feel like the cameraman loved him because we got a lot of solo shots and even a protagonist arc in Phil. He was this boy that was too afraid to do anything and now he is here. It really did emphasize him and seeing the boy struggle and fail and still do it all with a smile plastered on his face was heartwarming. I saw a really mature side of Phil who wasn't afraid to tell the director he disliked a portion of the show or wasn't afraid to do a magic performance on his own. He really came of as a mature and strangely confident man that approached every scenario head on and with a calm collected demeanor. Also his interactions with all the crew gave me the sense the people really do adore him and that he really goes above and beyond to make sure everyone is appreciated. I felt like he really was in control and enjoying every moment of it and basking in being himself instead of being AmazingPhil

Busgate

As you all hit upon #busgate was bad and almost mocking in a way. Did they actually beleive their fans would fall for that? I mean when Dan is coming out of bed he has to fold himself in half which means he doesn't fit when his limbs are relaxed so I didn't get what game they were playing.

Anyway then the separate floor rooms came and what I found really suspicious is how they put that scene directly after the domestic bed part when Dan wakes up Phil. It kinda speaks to their damage control and them maybe being aware of what their slap of non-phano was going to cause.

I feel like they gave up an opportunity to remain ambiguous and its their way of telling us in the least amount of words that they aren't together. I cant interpret it any other way, honestly. Its not that I'm taking their word for it but I am receiving the message that they're trying to send. Does that mean Ill stop shipping it, fuck no. I have been in this too long and have too much evidence to make me sway completely. I'm just feeling really confused rn because they are telling me to believe one thing when Ive believed another for so long.

Do I think what they're doing is moral or that they are angels, no. They fuck with our feelings alot especially seeing that they put the Phil leaning into Dan's shoulder in one video then showing seperate beds and justifying every touch in another. I honestly want to understand them because if they're closeted then stay closeted and don't hint at anything more or put cute thumbnails on videos and stuff. I'm just trying to understand in which scenario would their behavior be okay, and honestly my options are running dry.....

Even though my thoughts on busgate weren't positive I really want to take a moment to appreciate that they really did put in effort and time to make this show and documentary and they should be acknowledged for that. Although it wasn't perfect it had me laughing the whole time and was overall a very pleasurable show + documentary that I will rewatch in the future.

[papierklemmen]

about fans unstanning them if they are not dating

i'm really surprised to see you guys say that you would peace out if they ever announce they're not dating. i don't really see how they've been "deceiving" anyone. i can't remember a single moment in the last three years that could be 100% interpreted as them being together, while there have been a lot of very obvious nudge nudge wink wink shipping jokes. they've acknowledged that their fandom is basically based on the ship and have made it their schtick to exaggerate everything to the point of dan staring directly into the camera and zooming in on his face, winking, during any moments that he knows could be used as proof™. is it shipbaiting? yes, but it's very obvious shipbaiting, that screams "FAKE SHIP". they don't cross the line into the real world, don't show any real moments of intimacy. are they cashing in on this? certainly, but hey, that's what their fans want.

it makes me sad that people are saying they would leave if d&p come clear as not being together, because i feel like it's one of the many reasons why they don't share their personal lives with the internet. if anything, i wish they wouldn't be scared to be more open(if they are not dating, that is), maybe then we could get real moments of friendship and escape the hells of busgates when they can't share a bed or even talk about it just because they know people might interpret it in the wrong way.

idk why tf i am putting this under a spoiler it has nothing to do with the docu but idk just in case

i guess my emotional threshold for feeling bad for the poor platonic guys becoming millionaires out of the ambiguity of their relationship is not very wide but honestly i have 0 empathy, if they are genuinely not together then they created their phan hell problem themselves and are even cashing in on it big time, i find nothing to be sad for in this situation

also i don't include any of the obvious jokey phan references as what makes it look like they are a couple, i don't mind ship baiting at all when everyone involved is 100% aware that it is all a joke, but some things they do that keep their relationship ambiguous for me include:
- the way they tip toe around relationship related things on sims videos
- the fact that they haven't directly said they are not together in 4 years
- bullshit overcomplicated explanations like busgate that would only make logical sense if they were trying to hide something (like seriously, if they are not together, what was the thought process here, 'okay let's think of the hardest to believe lie about how we slept on the bus and go with that to make sure no one will believe us'?, why would they care so much if they weren't together?)
- bullshit lies like pretending they aren't watching a show together, like the fucking tv/bed/making a murderer situation, or that time dan said he was talking on the phone 'to someone' only for phil to show up on the later on the liveshow and fuck up saying dan had called him

hey i don't disagree with you, i don't like that they are bitch ass liars(c) and that last one, wow, i didn't even know that happened. but i feel like they're in too deep at this point and just don't know when the lies make more harm than good.

what makes them different from other m/m duos like smosh, rhett & link, jack & dean is that they've never publicly announced their gfs/bfs/wives&kids and that makes these things seem more sus, but at the end of the day it's all open to our interpretation and they're not forcing phan on us except for the jokie jokies. maybe they're actually just ultimate fuckboys and date new models every 2 weeks

[Lilac]

- bullshit lies like pretending they aren't watching a show together, like the fucking tv/bed/making a murderer situation, or that time dan said he was talking on the phone 'to someone' only for phil to show up on the later on the liveshow and fuck up saying dan had called him

Sorry for the change of topic, but does anyone remember the date of the liveshow where this happened? i have been meaning to find this one for a while now, and now that u mentioned it, I cant stop myself from asking

it's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEM3OQlani8
40:17
sorry, idk how to post the full vid :/

[sweetmm]

I'm sorry but this look more like the opening of redtube and not youtubered - maybe you guys can suggest a title??? Delivery Dan & BigDaddy Phil (I suck at this)

[papierklemmen]

I'm sorry but this look more like the opening of redtube and not youtubered

[offtopic]i still can't believe youtube thought that naming it youtubeRED was a good idea. [/offtopic]

[sweetmm]

skeletaldawson

[DeadlyNova]

That's a beautiful billboard.

I absolutely loved both the show and the documentary. It made me regret deciding not to go to TATINOF even more.

Also knowing that when Phil was sick it was when they were in my state...maybe it's best I didn't go. LOL

The whole #busgate situation didn't make me believe in phan being real any less, but it did almost completley erase my belief that, if they are together, they will ever come out. Still a tiny bit of a hope there, or maybe even just that they'll be less.....like this about it, you know?

My favorite moments of the documentary were the ones they filmed themselves, but I think that's the general consensus here!

I thought I would like the documentary more, but the show itself pleasantly surprised me and I think I actually did end up enjoying it more. I was planning to cringe but I'm really glad that I decided to watch the documentary first, because the part I knew would make me cringe(the singing and dancing routine(...and them rehearsing it)) was able to make me cringe there so when it came time to actually see it in the show I didn't cringe nearly as much! Yay!

All in all I am very happy, even if initially I was a bit saddened by the hotel room thing and had to pause to give a big eyeroll at the bus situation.

In summary, still af.

Your signature, sweetmm. How can they manage to make such precious old men?!

[kusunoki masashige]

I was thinking about the professional camera crew, who were outside of the core group of merch/stage manager/security etc. Maybe they were only there the first day/overnight for florida, then didn't show up again until wherever they did the map scene (which could have been anywhere, and who knows who was behind the cameras for any of this honestly) and then again in hollywood. I'm basing this all on when they had mic's attached to their shirts. That would only be one confirmed overnight, the first one, with a stranger on the bus which would explain the awkwardness. The rest of the tour could have been trusted crew with contracts.

It bothered me that they never showed any other people on the bus that next morning. Either they were all still busy at playlist selling merch, or the other venue was close enough they could drive? That is why I think the breakfast scene was after (or before, just throw on some pj's and look grumpy) the first show and still in Florida.

So, about the question when the breakfast scene was filmed: you can see some kind of calendar or timetable on the wall of the bus here with five dates crossed out..(not putting this under a spoiler because its from the trailer)

I couldn't read what is written on top, but I think it's safe to assume the blue ones are tour dates. You need to zoom in a bit, but comparing the sequences of blue boxes, I think this was after the show in Washington on May 22nd - 'cause after the last crossed out date you can see one free day (assuming the first box of every row is blank/just calendar week info) and then six blue ones and the only block of six shows in a row was from May 24th to 29th. (Plus, all the remaining dates and free days in between also add up).

No idea what to do with this info, but there you go…

I'm sorry but this look more like the opening of redtube and not youtubered - maybe you guys can suggest a title??? Delivery Dan & BigDaddy Phil (I suck at this)