Dan & Phil Part 13: So Bored That This Is Our Thread Name

[karma_yeah]

Does anyone know about how many subscribers each had when voldy leaked the first and 2nd times?

1st Time
Dan-between 50K and 100K
Phil-between 150K and 200K

2nd Time
Dan-500K
Phil-300k

There's a timeline I made of subscriber milestones. If anyone wants it to be posted I could put it in the Compilations section.

Thanks spider! And yes, please post it! I knew one of you master archivists would know.

Those numbers seem so small compared to their viewership now. And it was in between the 2 leaks that Dan's popularity started to outpace Phil's.

I wish I had an intelligent conclusion to draw from that, but I really don't.

I'm a firm believer in the video's authenticity though. (I love Phil, but he's not that good of actor) And all the reasons they'd want to suppress it have all been analyzed to death. My bucket list wish is that one day, when they have their glass house, garden, koi pond, 2 kids and shib, that the video would resurface again and they'd just say -- "Yeah, wasn't that sweet! We were young and in love. Now we're just an old married couple".

But I don't think anyone on here including me thinks that will ever happen.

[eevee]

I'm a firm believer in the video's authenticity though. (I love Phil, but he's not that good of actor) And all the reasons they'd want to suppress it have all been analyzed to death. My bucket list wish is that one day, when they have their glass house, garden, koi pond, 2 kids and shib, that the video would resurface again and they'd just say -- "Yeah, wasn't that sweet! We were young and in love. Now we're just an old married couple".

But I don't think anyone on here including me thinks that will ever happen.

it could happen, i think!

[fancy_nancy]

I'm a firm believer in the video's authenticity though. (I love Phil, but he's not that good of actor) And all the reasons they'd want to suppress it have all been analyzed to death. My bucket list wish is that one day, when they have their glass house, garden, koi pond, 2 kids and shib, that the video would resurface again and they'd just say -- "Yeah, wasn't that sweet! We were young and in love. Now we're just an old married couple".

id give my right arm to see this happen also sounds like a good fanfic ideA, someone write this, pleeeease

[uglyamerican]

I just watched Dan's new video (I do tend to procrastinate,) and I really liked it (not sure why people are meh about it.) I'm done with university, but I still found the material totally #relatable in the sense that it brought back traumatising memories. He clearly put some time and effort into writing and performing it - I do like his sketches.....

Anyway, afa using his new MacBook 12 to edit the video: it's not the best machine for that purpose. I own one and it's a great lightweight machine for traveling / writing / getting lost in wormholes, but really doesn't have the chops to edit / render video efficiently (although OK for stills.) So the theory about using Phil's MacBook Pro is sound.

[Sakura Selfie]

Whilst I don't find Phil to be childish he's certainly not like most men in their late 20s/early 30s that I know, I was thinking the other day that if Phan isn't real and Phil met a potential partner that had no idea who he was how would that partner look at him when they watch videos of him on YouTube? (TBF I decided I think I'd be more focused on the fact he's clearly in love with his 'best friend' )

[offtopic]to the person revising for exams for lectures they never attended, the PowerPoint presentation from the last lecture of the semester usually has a few exam prep slides on to it to let you know what to expect[/offtopic]

[blueapple_x]

[offtopic]Anyone else notice that the 'danisnotonfire' tag on tumblr has a bunch of unrelated junk posts that they tagged him in? Or is that just my tumblr? [/offtopic]

[Breatherepeat]

Is this old tweet from Dan real? And if so, does it add validity that vold might be geniune? Isn't there a line in there about long breakfasts in bed?http://lineofsymmetry.tumblr.com/post/1 ... happiest-i

Also I believe that persona is an exaggerated version of the real person. It is based on their true self. It is not merely a character they play. To hate their peraona is to, in some ways, hate the person.

And I beg of you people, stop saying "Phil is almost 30" like it is some kind of automatic thing that sends him into old age and retirement. He already seems settled down. He is not a man child or stuck in his teens. He is just an odd duck in a pond of traditional ducks and nontraditional ducks making a living off of a hobby that turned into a career. And because he is an odd duck, he stands out a little bit more. Not better. Not worse. Just different. And to quote Dan, "And that's okay."

[majitzu]

[offtopic]Anyone else notice that the 'danisnotonfire' tag on tumblr has a bunch of unrelated junk posts that they tagged him in? Or is that just my tumblr? [/offtopic]

yeah, idk why I decided to search what was being posted in the dinof tag and I couldn't see anything Dan related, but the Dan Howell tag is okay. And if you look the tags they are a lot of fandoms tagged too

[majitzu]

Is this old tweet from Dan real? And if so, does it add validity that vold might be geniune? Isn't there a line in there about long breakfasts in bed?http://lineofsymmetry.tumblr.com/post/1 ... happiest-i

That tweet is not real, as far as I know.

[Breatherepeat]

That tweet is not real, as far as I know.

I figured it wasn't because I had never seen it before. Thanks for confirming.

[nostalgic]

Is this old tweet from Dan real? And if so, does it add validity that vold might be geniune? Isn't there a line in there about long breakfasts in bed?

That tweet is not real, as far as I know.

Hmm as far as I know, the tweet is real? I remember seeing it several times on the old phan timeline. If I remember correctly it was sent close to when Dan was leaving to go to India and he was telling Phil to wait for him to get back so they could do their "3 hour breakfast" tradition? Can anyone confirm?
My timing might be wrong but I definitely remember seeing that tweet on phandirectory though.

Oh and hi by the way! I've been meaning to make an account here for forever. I read gg for literally YEARS and sometimes posted there so I thought it was about time to come out of lurking here for once.

[alittledizzy]

That tweet is not real, as far as I know.

I figured it wasn't because I had never seen it before. Thanks for confirming.

I'm actually inclined to think that it is real given that it shows up on the phan timeline document. It's from January 25, 2010 and Phil's reply to it is still searchable on twitter. Dan's original tweet just isn't searchable because Dan took much more care to delete old incriminating tweets than Phil did.

[gnostic]

Isn't the whole point of voldy that most of it can be traced to specific tweets and other occurences of Dan and Phil's life? Which is used both as a proof of its authenticity and its inauthenticity?

[danphil333]

yeah, i don't think anybody here has claimed that not swearing is childish? it's another part of the child friendly package and he is conscious of it and intentionally avoids it because of that audience, but i don't think that makes him childish. having a young audience doesn't necessarily make the content stunted the way it is. the reason it's so hard to view phil as a complex person is because you have to really search for it, because he sure as hell doesn't make it very obvious. i know he is, in reality, a real complex person, but i only know that because everyone must be, he doesn't imply it at all. you have to search up some really desperate 5k word analyses on tumblr to find any remote depth behind him and that usually comes to the conclusion of 'he's so smart and funny guys!!'. if he dropped the act on other sites, people wouldn't complain. if it wasn't startling different as a regression from 8 years ago then people wouldn't complain. but this ~persona~~ is just so thick

good for him. since when "not making it obvious" is a negative thing.
if you are a complex person you just are, there is absolutely no need to make it obvious

I'm gonna go all Dan Howell defence squad here. I'm also gonna pre-empt this by saying that I love Phil but your post was very negative towards dan and very towards Phil so my response will be the inverse of that.

I don't think Dan is begging for validation or compliments (and if, on occasion, he is, that reflects his insecurity, and is a normal - if flawed - human reaction to insecurity).
Phil doesn't need to 'beg' for praise because his 'angel bean cinnamon roll' image means that anyone who criticises him looks like an asshole kicking a puppy. His sweet nature and 'angel bean' branding prevents him from coming under attack, so of course he has no reason to fish for compliments or ask people to defend him.
Anyway, I think most of the time Dan uses self deprecation as a defence mechanism - it's a pre-emptive strike against any criticism of him or his work. That way if someone says 'that was crap' he can be like 'I know right' - he's in on the joke and not being laughed at, but laughing with everyone.It's probably not healthy but it's a totally normal and human thing to do.
I agree that Dan comes off as wanting to be right/smarter a lot of the time - but I don't feel the need to vilify him for it. It's a character flaw. Everyone is flawed because we're human, it's not a big deal.
I think it's great that Phil doesn't mind being viewed as Dan's less-attractive sidekick but let's be real, he's making buttloads of cash off of 'Dan and Phil'. I'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank.

and dans "lol everything is a joke, my life is a joke, i am trash" branding protects him from "attacks". Every criticism gets lost in a sea of "you are such trash" "you are a rat" . Calling him loud and annoying can be seen as "endearing" comments instead of real criticism.

yes we are humans and we have flaws, maybe dans flaws dont agree with me. in general, not just me, they are negative traits. but i believe because its dan people overcome those flaws they normally wouldnt. because dan howell is a special human(not) who needs special treatment

[Ticia]

This isn't about anything that people are talking about, I just wanted to post this image that's been floating around on Twitter.



If anyone can't read this, it says:
Favorite YouTuber? (besides yourself)
Dan: Phil? jk Community Channel
Phil: PewDiePie!

this gives me SERIOUS feelings about Dan's feelings about Phil, sadly though Phil didn't deliver as well

I can't see anything weird with their answers, only that I thought Dan would be closer to Pewds and Phil to Natalie Tran. What would've been weird and fake is Dan saying Phil is his favourite Youtuber and vice versa

[jaej]

yeah, i don't think anybody here has claimed that not swearing is childish? it's another part of the child friendly package and he is conscious of it and intentionally avoids it because of that audience, but i don't think that makes him childish. having a young audience doesn't necessarily make the content stunted the way it is. the reason it's so hard to view phil as a complex person is because you have to really search for it, because he sure as hell doesn't make it very obvious. i know he is, in reality, a real complex person, but i only know that because everyone must be, he doesn't imply it at all. you have to search up some really desperate 5k word analyses on tumblr to find any remote depth behind him and that usually comes to the conclusion of 'he's so smart and funny guys!!'. if he dropped the act on other sites, people wouldn't complain. if it wasn't startling different as a regression from 8 years ago then people wouldn't complain. but this ~persona~~ is just so thick

good for him. since when "not making it obvious" is a negative thing.
if you are a complex person you just are, there is absolutely no need to make it obvious

ok but i don't mean complex in a special way, i mean 'acts like a normal human and not a cartoon character with 2 interests'. by making it obvious, i mean you have to assume 'fuck, he must be a real human, nobody actually lives like that'. if you have to look for the best in someone to just see them as an actual person with multiple likes, dislikes, hobbies, fears, traits - all of which dan shows at least outside of dinof while phil doesn't - that isn't a good thing. especially not when they're meant to be sharing their life as part of the platform.

you really can't accept that dan gets criticised. even dan stans, especially here, call him out when needed. the outcry and defence in response to phil being called a bit boring or impersonal is as severe as the response to people calling dan a fake, liar, untalented, attention whore etc. phil barely gets criticised and gets protected when he does, and it definitely isn't for any talent, because he doesn't offer anything new.

[idk]

with regard to maybe-fake tweets, i never knew if this one was fake or not
supposedly from 2011?

[internetakeover]

with regard to maybe-fake tweets, i never knew if this one was fake or not
supposedly from 2011?

Pretty sure the 3 hour breakfast one is real, but I don't think this is. I've not seen it before and by 2011 they weren't really sharing things like that on social media anymore? Very happy to be corrected if anyone knows differently though!

[pixlexia]

This isn't about anything that people are talking about, I just wanted to post this image that's been floating around on Twitter.



If anyone can't read this, it says:
Favorite YouTuber? (besides yourself)
Dan: Phil? jk Community Channel
Phil: PewDiePie!

this gives me SERIOUS feelings about Dan's feelings about Phil, sadly though Phil didn't deliver as well

I can't see anything weird with their answers, only that I thought Dan would be closer to Pewds and Phil to Natalie Tran. What would've been weird and fake is Dan saying Phil is his favourite Youtuber and vice versa

^ Agree, I don't think Phil's talked about Pewds that much either but whatever boys.
I actually don't think it would have been fake for them to say each other as their favorite Youtubers. I mean, if 80% of my career depended on the other person, I wouldn't feel awkward about saying they were my favorite. Not to mention that's most likely the answer that the M&Ger was searching for, just could have satisfied them for the sake of it and be done.

I don't know if in my post 10 pages ago I was the one who first brought up the term "man-child" and that's what set this conversation off, but I want to clarify that that's my friend's term and not mine and I was more or less relaying her opinions as food-for-thought. That whole tumblr post with the "can you believe this Youtuber is 28" is the reason I sometimes get a bit scared for Phil. I for one and perfectly fine in loving his content right now, but as I said, any family/friends who see it seem to be a bit weirded out by it and it's supposed childish-ness. (Whether it's actually childish or not, to each their own.)

[danphil333]

ok but i don't mean complex in a special way, i mean 'acts like a normal human and not a cartoon character with 2 interests'. by making it obvious, i mean you have to assume 'fuck, he must be a real human, nobody actually lives like that'. if you have to look for the best in someone to just see them as an actual person with multiple likes, dislikes, hobbies, fears, traits - all of which dan shows at least outside of dinof while phil doesn't - that isn't a good thing. especially not when they're meant to be sharing their life as part of the platform.

you really can't accept that dan gets criticised. even dan stans, especially here, call him out when needed. the outcry and defence in response to phil being called a bit boring or impersonal is as severe as the response to people calling dan a fake, liar, untalented, attention whore etc. phil barely gets criticised and gets protected when he does, and it definitely isn't for any talent, because he doesn't offer anything new.

Well i see enough of phils likes, dislikes, hobbies, fears, traits both on AP and outside. Even the most boring things like his favorite cereal. At least i know there is phils family out there and its not a taboo mentioning them, i can imagine phil doing normal everyday stuff like interacting with people and going to the store without making it a big deal. There is no need to show so much negativity for everything to be "enough" of a person.
i mean when dan last year told the story about meeting a childhood friend i was left like . such a normal thing sounded so weird and important because dan normaly refuses to share anything about his normal life.

and you cant accept that some people see more in phil than what you see. Some people dont see the "childness" or dont see it as negative as you. it just what it is. You blame phil for what is actually the phandoms fault (angel smol bean, cinnamon roll who needs protection, the most creative yt, everyone copies him) i do the same with dan.. 'high five'.

neither of them offer any special "talent", they dont do anything groundbreaking or new. i dont expect my life to be changed because of

[Ticia]

I really can't see how it can be considered appealing for children (not teen or preteen, children) videos like "Caspar joins the Philluminati", "I destroyed my house" or "Another sleepless night with Phil", or his love for Pokémon and anime (only us 90' kids were in the Pokémon trend, imo), or his cheese hate, or ahem moments like the one in my signature, but that's just my opinion. Dan's the one with a Spongebob header and an Internet Support Group where 10 years old send him e-mails, just saying, and it doesn't even cross our minds he may be seen as a man-child in the pejorative meaning it may be used with Phil.

At the end of the day, they both have the same type of fans in their M&G, and I would dare to say Phil fans tend to be of an older age.

[SquishPhan]

Also I believe that persona is an exaggerated version of the real person. It is based on their true self. It is not merely a character they play. To hate their peraona is to, in some ways, hate the person.

And I beg of you people, stop saying "Phil is almost 30" like it is some kind of automatic thing that sends him into old age and retirement. He already seems settled down. He is not a man child or stuck in his teens. He is just an odd duck in a pond of traditional ducks and nontraditional ducks making a living off of a hobby that turned into a career. And because he is an odd duck, he stands out a little bit more. Not better. Not worse. Just different. And to quote Dan, "And that's okay."

Yes to this. I don't know why Phil turning 30 is constantly brought up, like that is some magical number at which you suddenly have to start acting a certain way apparently.

[kay]

Some more (video) support of the post-show no fringe topic discussed a couple of pages back

Also am I imagining things but is this girl just randomly hanging out in front of their bus? Drake where you at!

with regard to maybe-fake tweets, i never knew if this one was fake or not
supposedly from 2011?

Pretty sure the 3 hour breakfast one is real, but I don't think this is. I've not seen it before and by 2011 they weren't really sharing things like that on social media anymore? Very happy to be corrected if anyone knows differently though!

Agreed, I'm about 98.9% sure I've seen the three hour breakfasts tweet but for sure have never seen this one. I feel like this would be all over the timeline/tumblr if it were real.

[NarrysCanary]

Okay so I was scrolling through stopphanproofing cause I was bored and I see that they reblogged this : http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... te-that-he, and apparently for them, the fact that he finds more woman attractive than he finds men attractive means that he leans more towards the "straightness" than the "gayness". That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard ( and once again people think that bisexuality is 50/50)

Edit : they're also saying that all his mentions of being attracted to men were innocent, I wonder what they think about the "choke me Daddy" about Luke Skywalker ( was it Skywalker ? Can't remember)

[PolarFox]

Okay so I was scrolling through stopphanproofing cause I was bored and I see that they reblogged this : http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... te-that-he, and apparently for them, the fact that he finds more woman attractive than he finds men attractive means that he leans more towards the "straightness" than the "gayness". That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard ( and once again people think that bisexuality is 50/50)

also interesting how the attraction tumblr made by people from here has way more male mentions.
Edit: it was Anakin Skywalker