Dan & Phil Part 53: another two months

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gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:13 pm [Offtopic]

:twisted: So, hey, guys, I'm in the mood to ask some uncomfortable questions, just because I'm seeing a lot of mixed opinions recently and wanna know where we all stand: :twisted: Be honest or idk, answer it with alternate facts but you do you :lol:

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

Answer!
1. honestly???? it changes quite a lot. sometimes it's dan bc i relate more but other times it's phil bc he's not as overwhelming if you get what i mean.
2. i have watched it and, confession, have it saved to my google drive :garbage: have never shared it tho

3. i actually quite like them staying on youtube.... i feel like if they branched out more the viewer-idol relationship or whatever wouldn't be so close you know

4. i really wouldn't care lmao.. they can do whatever and i honestly see that being more so the case than them coming out as a couple, maybe bc i'm not always so sure if they actually are together romantically

5. i found their old apartment on a real estate website and once scrolling through instagram i found stuff related to dan's brother HHHHHH

6. it's the same for both!!!!!! they over do their persona so much to the point where it gets quite annoying sometimes. like dan's tweet from today (or yesterday based on timezones) C'MON i thought you were over those irritating jokes with the rebrand.

7. i'm 15!! 16 in december, i do realise that's quite young on this website although most of the phannies i see on sites such as twitter and tumblr are around the same age.
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archived wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:02 am
Sup wankers here is the low down

1. Don't draw or write explicit stuff, it's just plain creepy
and if you do we will email your parents a link to your tumblr, every tumblr you follow and also post of signed copy of said offending piece to your grandma.
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Since I'm procrastinating from reading Consti Law cases. Let's do this.

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil?
I prefer Phil a bondpaper's width more than Dan. It's a little cliche but like most here, I relate to Dan more, so his moods affect me in ways I wish they don't. I turn to Phil's videos whenever I'm sad for comfort and familiarity. And I found that with time, my initial physical attraction to Dan softened, while that of Phil's turned.... more intense. :oops: So personality + looks, I prefer Phil more. Also, I find myself rooting for Phil on every D vs. P, and feel very happy whenever he does win. But I do love Dan too and want him to have all the happiness in the world.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
I've never shared it, but I did show it to my sister who is a casual fan of D&P (she's more into Jacksepticeye). I initially feel bad watching it, especially as I agree with people who think that the vid has affected Phil more than Dan in private. But halfway through the vid, I just turn to mush and end up with a smile on my face. But then when the vid's not playing, I feel guilty again. :oops:

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o
I like them on YT because that's where they're most accessible, because we all get to experience the content at the same time, than let's say, if they were doing traditional British media again (of course, someone from the phandom would usually find a way to have a copy of it and upload it, but usually it'll be delayed and we'd already get spoilers and snippets of what happened). It's a totally selfish POV and I understand how problematic it is, so sorry about that. :oops: I would want them to do more though, while staying on YT. It's a selfish request, but I would have liked it if they brought TATINOF more to other countries. Probably because they were planning on bringing it to mine but weren't able to do so. I would love to see them in person, but I know I'd probably never got the chance to do so.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
Like everyone else, I don't consider them straight at all, so I do think of them as subtly being out already. So them either finally admitting to be together or introducing a significant other that's not Dip/Pip (which I think is the only way they'll really convince me that they're not together), would be more pivotal. From prior experience, I'm usually still supportive over my used-to-be-OTPs, so I don't think it'll affect me much even if the latter scenario were to happen. I don't think they're ship-baiting. I think that POV comes from being a fan of a Kpop group whose actions would definitely fall under what the connotation of ship-baiting is, so I do think that I have a higher tolerance for it and don't see it as that problematic. I think it's because, in shipping, I always work under the assumption that even if there are "proofs" to my belief, there's always the possibility that I might be wrong. Plus, I've shipped many people before, and no one ended up together, and I didn't end up hating any of the parties involved. If D&P were to ever explicitly confirm they're together, they'd be my first OTP who ended up together (and didn't break up). [This makes me feel like I have a curse. :?]. There's also the fact that they're real people and couples who seem to work well together initially, sometimes just fall apart because of time and circumstances. Of course, the :garbage: in me wants them to live happily ever after. But I won't begrudge them their happiness if they don't, nor will I be pissed if they're really just platonic biffles (sad maybe, but not pissed). Plus, platonic or romantic, the chemistry is there, and their personalities/persona are still theirs, and that's what makes me primarily invested in them.


5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
I'm bad at being a detective, so even if I tried, I wouldn't be able to find anything. i did come across some information in the tags or when I lurk at popular phandom members' tumblrs. But it's never deliberate. I think the only deliberate search I've ever done was for the timelines, and I think it's information that a lot of people encounter upon entering the Phandom.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
I'm never really actively annoyed at them, but I do get a bit disgruntled whenever Dan insinuates that his crowd wouldn't understand/get whatever topic he's rambling about on his liveshows. I also get a perturbed whenever Phil "lies" about something. Though again, they do have a right to privacy. I just feel a bit upset because I'd rather they haru things up than actively misdirect us. But then I get over it immediately by then berating myself about how I don't have any right to information about them, and then feel guilty about my own thoughts. :oops:

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
I'm 25, so about the average age of the posters in this site. All I can say though is that knowing people's ages here just drives home to me the fact that age does not correlate with maturity. I'm not overly problematic, nor do I stir drama, but I do certain things that might be considered problematic. For example, instead of calling out people who make phan proof videos or base their entire channels on reacting to Phan, I instead peruse these things like a mother hen and happily lap up the content, though I don't condone it if it's a YTer like Marcus or Shane who has interacted with Deppy and has a significant non-Phandom audience. I'm also living for the #gates and the #dickscourse. Basically, I'm not the epitome of what a mature non-offensive member of the Phandom is. I also find that a lot of people younger than me here are more articulate and have a more rational view of things, so I'd like to commend them for that. On the other hand, my POV is, as long as it doesn't reach, harm, or is targeted to Deppy, you do you as part of the Phandom.

Sorry for the word vomit. *insert emoji sipping wine here*
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Hey there. I usually just lurk and read but these questions were interesting so I thought I'd actually post.
1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil?
I really enjoy their joint content the most but if I had to pick, it would be Phil. He just makes me smile.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
Never seen it.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? 
I think they fit YouTube and honestly don't know what else would suit them and their, uh, laidback uploading schedules. I would like to see more videos from both of them even if it's just fluff on their side channels. Bring on the slime vids and candle hauls!

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I think coming out as a couple would definitely cause more of a stir since they've both already alluded to not being straight. As for the rest, I just wish them happy.


5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
Nope. I'm too lazy to put in the effort and I would feel guilty. I'm such a Mary Sue.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan: his dinof persona. The whole "I'm ugly, i have no friends, I enjoy nothing" mantra wears thin after a while. For god's sake, would it kill you to admit to enjoying something occasionally?
Phil: Robot Phil. I understand he's not as open to sharing as Dan is and that's certainly his right to be reserved. But can he shake it up a bit sometimes? He seems to be very formulaic lately, a little too predictable.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority) 
I'm not sure what the average age is here, I'm an older fan though.
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archived wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:47 pm
7. Older than it should be, I'm 16 and no offence but some people on here remind me of twilight mums.
Forget Team Edward and Team Jacob, are you Team Dop or Team Pop? New merch coming this winter, preorder your T-shirts now!
tbh I want a "Team Corn Dog Cornelia" shirt, I don't care if she only has 5k YT subs she deserves her own fandom
Ah, Twilight; the best thing to happen to mother/daughter relationships now that the internet started answering period questions.

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alittledizzy wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:56 am 2. No one is better at spreading the vday video than people who loudly proclaim who they won't spread the vday video. You talk in whispers and you just fuel curiosity; you calmly explain a situation and usually end up diffusing it.
Yessssssss. I've seen so many people (including myself) say they first heard about the voldy-o vid from people yelling into the internet void not to talk about the voldy vid.
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I know people have mostly moved on but I'll jump on the bandwagon anyway:

1. Dan or Phil?
I can never choose, there are elements of each of them that I really like and I don't think I particularly feel more strongly about either.

2. vid that shall not be named?
I've watched it a few times, first in early 2013 when it was one of the main topics of conversation on phantaray, which I stalked religiously at the time. Then again last year when I returned to the phandom and it popped up - I've never shared it though.

3. Youtube or no youtube?
Basically what catallena said lmao. As much as I will support them in whatever future projects they do, I have very little interest in ever watching them in anything that requires them to harness their acting skills. I enjoy their youtube videos because it's entirely them, and while I know they're always gonna be putting on somewhat of a persona their youtube vids are so much more appealing to me than a scripted tv/stage show in which they'd be playing characters, and working within the constraints of the mainstream entertainment industry. Hence, I am mildly terrified about whatever their secret project is - I will be happy for them regardless so long as it's something that they find fulfilling/enjoyable, but I'm not gonna lie and say that I'm here for anything other than the content they provide on youtube dot com (and also liveshows/other social media).

4. dnp are not straight but also not together - what do?
I'd personally be surprised if that happened, but if it did I guess I'd be a bit disappointed in so far as it would mean I'd severely misjudged. But I'd make myself move on I guess? And I wouldn't be mad at them, they never pretended to be together as far as I'm concerned.

5. Stalking mishaps:
No, not that I recall. Although whoever it was that said they'd accidentally seen more info about Dan's brother than they'd like, same!! I was just scrolling on twitter and there was a tweet with loads of pics of him, and it made me genuinely uncomfortable. It wasn't something I'd deliberately been seeking, and it genuinely shocked me (perhaps naively so) that people were just blatantly sharing pics of him publicly.

6. What annoys me about them:
Dan = wannabe edge lord humour and "dark like my soul" jokes (which differ, in my opinion, to joking about death, which he's said before is a coping mechanism. His tweet from yesterday is a prime example of what I find severely unfunny, mostly because that boy is not at all heartless/unemotional so the humour just feels a little forced.

Phil = his political apathy mostly, but that comes from me being someone who is very interested in politics and so, selfishly, I would really get something out of Phil being more vocal politically. He's started to make minuscule dips into political statements, but they're mostly pretty safe and I'd love for him (and Dan, although I think Dan's a bit more comfortable with it) to talk more frequently about things beyond a surface level. I recognise though that not everyone feels the same, and I'm sure Phil is likely trying to appease those who would rather politics and entertainment don't mix, which he has the right to do I guess.

7. Age:
I'm 21 :D


archived wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:47 pm 7. Older than it should be, I'm 16 and no offence but some people on here remind me of twilight mums.
I think I probably thought the same about older fans when I was 16, but as I've gotten older I've realised that you don't just magically become """an adult""" lol. Interests don't just disappear when you turn 18, and you don't just suddenly become interested in designated "sophisticated" adult things. Also, it makes sense that so many people in their 20s and 30s (and older!) are interested in Dan and Phil, as we're actually closer in age and life stage to Dan and Phil than teenagers are. Also, some of us have been here since we were teenagers (I was 16 when I first started watching), why should we have to just pack it all up and move on once we reach adulthood if our interest in them hasn't waned? With time, my opinions on Dan and Phil have matured and I've actually learned a lot about myself through them, and ultimately Dan and Phil are a great, lighthearted escape from uni, work and the hellscape that is 2017. There are no rules, let people enjoy what they enjoy regardless of age.
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captainspacecoat wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:52 am I think I probably thought the same about older fans when I was 16, but as I've gotten older I've realised that you don't just magically become """an adult""" lol. Interests don't just disappear when you turn 18, and you don't just suddenly become interested in designated "sophisticated" adult things. Also, it makes sense that so many people in their 20s and 30s (and older!) are interested in Dan and Phil, as we're actually closer in age and life stage to Dan and Phil than teenagers are. Also, some of us have been here since we were teenagers (I was 16 when I first started watching), why should we have to just pack it all up and move on once we reach adulthood if our interest in them hasn't waned? With time, my opinions on Dan and Phil have matured and I've actually learned a lot about myself through them, and ultimately Dan and Phil are a great, lighthearted escape from uni, work and the hellscape that is 2017. There are no rules, let people enjoy what they enjoy regardless of age.
I just wanted to highlight this. Thank you so much captainspacecoat for being able to articulate something I've been struggling to express. <3
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archived wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:47 pm

7. Older than it should be, I'm 16 and no offence but some people on here remind me of twilight mums.
We are closer to their age than you. Plus, I know it might seem that way, but when you become an adult you don't stop having interests. In fact, you have more interests because you can afford more.
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I've been browsing these forums for a couple weeks now, figured I might as well make an account so I can post. Not sure if this topic is dead just yet, so:

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

When I first started watching them years ago, Dan, but nowadays I like Phil's general personality more. I think it's because with where I am right now in my life Phil's upbeat, generally positive outlook/persona is something I really appreciate. I like both of them though, sometimes you need content like Dan's and sometimes you need content like Phil's.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
I'm glad I got the context for it before I ever saw it, because personally I feel really uncomfortable with the idea of watching something that was meant to be private. Seems kind of disrespectful, imo. I don't plan on seeing it...Though I admit to being pretty curious sometimes.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o
I think youtube is really where they belong, in part because there's no other really big video sites (Where would they go? Vimeo? dailymotion? vevo???) and because they're really kind of the...Original(TM) Youtubers. They were in the game long before anyone thought it was something that anyone could really make into a career, so it'd feel weird if they went elsewhere. I do support them branching out and doing other things aside videos though, I liked their interview with Sue a lot, and the voiceacting gigs and the radio show (an era I missed out on, unfortunately) seem to really help them develop their skills as entertainers, so. No complaints when they try out stuff that isn't just videos.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I'd honestly argue that Dan pretty much did come out fully with the tinder video, he's not the type to include guys "for the lolz" anymore. He treats it casual, which I like because, well, same hat. Just because he doesn't give it a particular label doesn't mean it's not happening.

Phil coming out would be...I think that would be pretty big, because Phil keeps that part of his life pretty under wraps now, so just him talking about it would cause a stir. In the old days as far as I know he used to talk about it more, and I can't say I think he's straight just because...Because. I know that's not a good reason but sometimes you just see someone and get a vibe.

That being said, I think the biggest stir would be them coming out as a couple, because it's really a huge point of mystery for a lot of people. If people have heard about Dan and Phil, it's usually one of the first things they question. Though, I don't think that the drama of it would be so much that they're coming out as "being in a gay couple" so much as "Dan and Phil, specifically, are a couple". So many people have wondered about it that the confirmation would cause a huge storm, imo.
Not speaking at OP or anyone in particular, just imo, claiming Dan and Phil coming out would be shipbaiting is pretty rude. Just admitting they're into dudes is shipbaiting? Nah. That's not how that works. I'm sure some people would take it that way, but that's taking something and running off into the wind with it stretching behind you.
5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
I work pretty hard to avoid that stuff, actually. For a long time I forgot that Dan HAS a brother, which is exactly what I want because it seems to be exactly what Dan wants. I'm not into digging into people's lives like that. Especially people I've never met.

Though...I also probably know a lot more about them that I should, virtue of the internet being right here. I don't really go looking, but if I end up seeing a post about them and read it and then start getting information that's a bit more indepth than I was expecting, there's not much I can do after I've read it.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Dan's "i hate life" persona and Phil's overly weird moments. Dan's schtick got old, especially since he genuinely seems to be happier nowadays, and Phil's quirkiness can be fun but also can just be kind of ridiculous/"what?" feeling.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
I don't know what the average is, but I'm 21 going on 22. The site does seem to be made up of people a little older though.
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1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil

I really don't think I have a preference overall. I fell for Phil first and feel like I'd get on with him better in person, Dan seems more aloof where Phil's more open and chatty, heck Dan has reminded me of myself many times and that can make it harder too, but I think indentifying with him like that is why he constantly makes me want to hug him. It's like choosing between your children and they're both great in their own ways.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?

Never. Barely watched it, curiosity got me once, but I turned it off, felt so uncomfortable.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o

I feel like I'm missing something, why would I not like them being on YouTube? I wouldn't have found them if they weren't. They do a lot of gaming, but I would like them to keep their liveshows going with less cancellations tbh. Whatever else they want to do, I'm here for.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

I think making that statement about yourself is a big deal either way and I don't think they shipbait if they're not together, they're just friendly towards each other, people interpret what they want to see. I've taken the line of least resistance in believing they're probably together because it seems plausible, and sweet, and hurts my brain to figure out how they wouldn't be, but ofc we don't actually know.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)

I looked them up on a site once, found nothing that isn't public, but I guess it's still kinda creepy just to look. Perhaps shouldn't say the name, but it's a site I've had to use for work and happen to hate.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.

I couldn't think of anything at first, but I suppose any time they're closed off because they're not comfortable, with Dan it's more the hiding behind jokes, Phil being generally closed off, but it doesn't annoy me, I'd just like them to feel happier about being open. I mean, I guess they're happy not being so open and that makes them more comfortable. There's that barrier from being in their audience and not a friend, and it reminds me of that too, can feel a bit sad.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)

I'm 36. Freaked me out a bit at first when I realised the youngest guys I'd ever dated were older than Dan and at the time an 8-year age gap had felt huge. Wcyd ;)
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RiriPandaHeart2 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:41 am
captainspacecoat wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:52 am I think I probably thought the same about older fans when I was 16, but as I've gotten older I've realised that you don't just magically become """an adult""" lol. Interests don't just disappear when you turn 18, and you don't just suddenly become interested in designated "sophisticated" adult things. Also, it makes sense that so many people in their 20s and 30s (and older!) are interested in Dan and Phil, as we're actually closer in age and life stage to Dan and Phil than teenagers are. Also, some of us have been here since we were teenagers (I was 16 when I first started watching), why should we have to just pack it all up and move on once we reach adulthood if our interest in them hasn't waned? With time, my opinions on Dan and Phil have matured and I've actually learned a lot about myself through them, and ultimately Dan and Phil are a great, lighthearted escape from uni, work and the hellscape that is 2017. There are no rules, let people enjoy what they enjoy regardless of age.
I just wanted to highlight this. Thank you so much captainspacecoat for being able to articulate something I've been struggling to express. <3
Quoteception, just needed to echo captainspacecoat here on this one. I went through something similar when transitioning from my teen years into early adulthood. It was quite a revelation to realize that your interests don't just disappear as you age! It's quite funny as I used to believe that as I aged I would become very dull and boring and lose myself entirely. Life doesn't stop as you enter adulthood, it just keeps getting better! Believe it or not, adult life does not solely consist of doing taxes and waiting in line at the DMV 24/7. Also, as sentinel said, majority of folks here on IDB are practically the same age as them, so where is the problem in enjoying their content? Everyone should be able to like what they like and not be shamed for it. ;) Let's all just enjoy our boys.

And now I'll answer some of these questions because I'm very conceited and am also apparently a bit masochistic as I have to be up for work in a few hours!
1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
Honestly, I prefer their joint content more than solo, but if I really had to choose I would say I naturally gravitate towards Dan. I feel like I relate to his content more than Phil's - the whole PG/censorship/smol angel bean ray of light shtick is a bit cheesy and over the top for me at times. I think that I relate more to Dan overall, and I see a lot of myself in him.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
Shared? Never. Watched? Multiple times. I find it interesting that so many people here have said they felt guilty watching. Maybe I'm horrible, and I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't actually feel bad watching it. Is it a bit of a violation of their privacy? Yeah, probably. However, with Dan claiming so vehemently that it was all just one big joke... through Dan's own loophole, it should by all means be okay to watch. I feel that the way they handled the entire situation really added fuel to the fire. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, whispering about a video that "you shouldn't talk about!" is always going to stir up more drama and attention towards it. I dunno, I don't really feel guilty watching it, even if I was not the video's intended target audience, lol. It's not as if Dan and Phil are ever going to know I've watched it. It's already on the internet forever and has likely been consumed by thousands before me. Eh. Just the way I feel. I don't typically discuss it or feel the need to spread it around, though. I do have some standards. :lol:

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o
I would really prefer for them to stay on YouTube, I think it's the best platform that they can truly shine as creators. The only other media/format I think I would enjoy seeing them branch into would be a podcast.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I think everyone else has summarized this question pretty well. I agree that the two coming out in a relationship would be a much, much bigger deal... To me, they are the epitome of glass closet. To whoever said that they think the two confirming their relationship would be 'endgame', I also agree. I think that this is one of the main reasons that they have neither confirmed or denied their relationship publicly - as well as wanting to retain as much privacy in their personal lives as possible.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
I mean, aside from the V-Day vid, not really... Tbh, I'm too lazy to do any actual sleuthing. I've been mildly curious about looking up their old flat, but only because I wanted to know how much they were spending on rent every month... :lol: I'm nosy in that sense, not because I would ever want to be intrusive and like, show up at their front door, or "casually" bump into them on their street, or wtf ever. (If anyone knows how much their rent was at their last place... I'm all ears lmao)

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
Obviously their over the top personas. I really, really prefer seeing them relaxed and having a good time. I don't need them to be Sir Edge Lord or Lil Sunshine Beam Angel Boye or whatever all the time. Give me more livestreams and vlogs, you damn rats. :garbage:

7. Age:
I'm 24. :)
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I love it how this question thingy has drawn lurkers out of their caves! Thanks gohomohowell!

I also just realised I'd forgotten to disclose my age when I answered the questions. I'm 24 and feel like IDB is the most suitable corner of the Phandom for me both age- and content-wise.
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I feel like I can't leave this site for five minutes without there being more things to read, I honestly thought only one or two would respond :lol: But I'ma reply to two things and then we'll discuss further :D
Light02 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:33 am
5. Dan's Nakedbooth pictures... are something that I'd like to unsee. I can't believe he actually used to post pictures of himself naked for attention on the internet. The only reason why I excuse him for doing that is that he was really young at the time but it does make me lose a lot of respect for him. It shows me that there is a really attention seeking part of him which he hides really well and that bothers me a lot. It makes me wonder just how much of the personality he shares with us is fake and how much of it is real?
Oop, this annoys me slightly but only because I've done it myself and so have a bunch of my friends.... This is honestly a thing a lot of young, immature people get into that they eventually grow out of and if you ask them why they did that, they'd say it's because they were, in fact, seeking attention. But that's not a nasty thing to want - Dan said long ago that he's never had a best friend other than Phil and that he got bullied, why wouldn't he seek validation online for a little while? I just don't think it's something he's hiding or anything, just a phase he grew out of as he gained confidence and stuff. Otherwise, we'll be blaming Phil for being involved with Charlie and all kinds of things better left in the past.
Light02 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:33 am
6. Dan - just how guarded he is at all times and how he never acknowledges the elephant in the room, whatever that may be at any given time. This is a thing I hate in general in people because I'm autistic and I can't read people's tone of voice/facial expression/body language well, so I want them to tell me exactly what they're thinking and feeling at all times.
Same, oh my God. It really annoys me with how he constantly implies things and it just... goes right over my head lmao. He's just very weird and always avoiding things and it's like!! Dan you hate autistic people we get it :lol:
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1. Don't draw or write explicit stuff, it's just plain creepy and if you do we will email your parents a link to your tumblr, every tumblr you follow and also post of signed copy of said offending piece to your grandma.
2. Don't harass out family / find out where we live or anything because that is also very creepy and if you do we'll find out YOUR address and send a swarm of wasps straight to your door
3. Literally no other youtuber cares about us the next person to comment 'collab with dan and phil' on someone else's youtube video will be forced to dine on the flesh of your own family who we will slaughter in front of your eyes.
4. Don't make weird as 'phan proof' videos (excluding satirical) using 8 year old posts from long forgotten websites. If you do we will gather everyone you love and you will have to watch them participate in our recreation of the Saw movie franchise.
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So, moving on, you're all being honest right? Because I'm getting answers that are a little too mature.... But maybe that's just me. It's also nice to see people my age (16 year old club) here who can keep up with everyone who's a bit or even a lot older, real sense of community there.

Two more optional questions:

1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.

Honesty, honesty, honesty!

And you're welcome <3
i want dan's hair and phil's hips
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Stopped lurking to answer questions, be kind please.

1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil
It goes back and forth really, but I'm either right in the middle or fangirling over Dan more often. Sue me.

2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
I have never shared it, but I do have it for research purposes.

3. Do you like the dipper brothers being on Youtube or not? Do you ever want them to do more.... or less? :o

I like it the way it is, but if it feels like moving on I guess I'll just follow with a pout.

4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?

I know that coming out means a lot to some people, specially when they're struggling, representation is always helpful. But I don't go there much with them, while I still care about their relationship, so I guess I'd be happy they feel comfortable and sad on the other hand because I understood it all wrong. It happens.

5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
I don't think so, no. I mean, I came across some weird stuff, but nothing I shouldn't have, just things I wish I wouldn't.

6. Most annoying thing about Danetrius and most annoying thing about Philesphical, go.
I don't know, I'm that boring kind of person that tries to understand everything and everyone and give the benefit of the doubt, and I mostly don't let things bother me that much, so I don't know. I'm not saying there's nothing and they are perfect, I just don't remember.

7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
Well, I'll speak for myself here, I'm 24 and I'll be 25 in october. I don't feel bad about being here, because I have almost the same age as Dan so he's relatable in more levels like "yeah, been there, done that" kind of feeling. And I like what I like, family, friends and fiance knows I'm a bit weird.
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V unpopular opinion: I get uncomfortable hearing talk about voldy and cringe a bit from the overuse of odd nicknames in the question list, so I won't join in on that discussion. I also disagree with the wording of "what I want them to do" because it's not my place to demand anything, I'll just take what they give and hope they're happy.
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I guess Phil's slime video is coming today instead of the LS? Imo it would be a bit too similar to the last one ("Look at me reacting to gross stuff") so I hope it's an idea for the future and he's filmed something else.

Now I'll go hide and wait for the question list thing to pass
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LtrllySusan wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:02 am cringe a bit from the overuse of odd nicknames in the list
:lol: of all the things to get annoyed about....
i want dan's hair and phil's hips
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Round 2! You're killing my sleep schedule with the good questions. :lol:
1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

Selfishly, I do wish that he would come out... Mostly just knowing how much of a positive impact he could have on his audience. I believe that those who are given a platform to impower and inspire others should absolutely do so. Use your voice and spread good words! However, if he either doesn't feel ready/obligated to do that then that's fine, too. Realistically... does Dan see himself as a role model? Does he want that level of responsibility/attention? I don't know. It's quite a delicate topic. Nobody should ever be pressured to come out if they aren't ready. If/when he does I'm 1000% here for it.
I'm also a firm believer that people are free to label or not to label themselves as they see fit. If someone feels more comfortable not putting a label on what they feel, that's all good with me. :)

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.

I would absolutely still keep watching, I'd probably be even more interested in their lives to be honest. I'd be super happy for them and ready to continue watching them live their best lives. <3 I don't really believe there would be that much backlash, if anything I think they could only gain more support.
Okay, now off to bed for reals.
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gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am
Two more optional questions:

1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.

Honesty, honesty, honesty!

And you're welcome <3
Yay, more questions! :D
Thank you for asking, your questions are fun to answer and reading everyone's answers is great! I've wanted to be more active for a while but I'm too shy to just jump into a discussion. :?

1. On one hand I don't like labels at all. Personally I feel they're unnecessary and complicated and kind of force people into a box. But on the other hand I find it fascinating reading/hearing about people who "found" their label and explain their sexuality. If Dan did that I'd find it interesting as well. However, I got the feeling that Dan isn't someone who wants to label himself and it'd feel weird hearing him suddenly use one. He's already dropped several hints that he's not straight and tbh that's all I need. He seems comfortable like that and I like it. I just want him to keep dropping these tiny hints now and then so it'll simply become an established fact. And I definitely don't want him to label himself out of pressure.

2. That sounds great to me! I'd like a casual confirmation of my/our theories. I could totally understand if they wouldn't want to share anything about their relationship, after all that's what they've said several times. Even confirming their relationship seems like a big and unlikely? step. I'd definitely keep watching their videos and be even more happy about their interactions even if they don't change that much. Just knowing that they really are together and their actions on camera are genuine and not just over-analysis by phangirls would be great! You can always imagine more and read phanfic, so. :lol:
But yeah, after thinking about it some more I'd secretly hope for slightly more touching or leaning into each other or sweet words, small things like that. But they've been pretty sweet with each other recently anyway. Urgh I don't know, at least I wouldn't be too disappointed.
Oh and I wouldn't need or want to see them actually kiss, that'd make me uncomfortable. Though I might change my mind after actually seeing it, who knows.
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gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am
1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.

Honesty, honesty, honesty!

And you're welcome <3
damn, thanks for keeping the conversation going again with all the interesting questions!! i love it!

tbh dan's refusal to label himself is one of the things i love most about him! i definitely don't think it's dumb- there's labels that would fit me 100% that i choose not to use/use only in very specific situations because i'm uncomfortable with the whole idea that queer people should be obligated to define ourselves by set terms that all come with assumptions about our attraction/personal relationship to the gender binary. so for me whenever dan references being a formless blob, or not wanting to be put in a box or even preferring a blanket term i don't see it as him saying 'i don't want to share the specifics with you' i see it as him genuinely just wanting to be known as dan, who's queer because he's queer rather than because of how other people might want to define that for him. (of course if he ever did use a label for himself or clarify things i would still fully support that! labels work when they work and they're certainly useful, even if they're not for everyone.)

i could actually see them doing that, if they were ever to 'officially' come out, just a subtle nod that can't really be denied or missed and then never addressing it beyond that. i'd definitely be okay with it, and considering i definitely think they're together it doesn't make a difference to me whether it's ambiguous or not. i'm invested because i love their chemistry, and as long as they have that going for them the only thing that would make me lose interest is just the natural cycle of moving between fandoms (or if one/both of them did something really shitty but i don't see that happening, they're both very sweet & mature guys underneath the personas, methinks). and i don't particularly care if they kiss on camera or not, especially since whatever brief 'aww' moment would probably be overshadowed by backlash for 'fanservice' and 'cashing in on their relationship' and all the usual shit people who don't actually watch them accuse them of, lmao.
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I think these questions are actually quite interesting and reading through everyone's answers really helped getting an idea what everyone thinks about the recent big phandom questions. I'm going to skip some questions because I don't have an opinion on those topics but here goes:
gohomohowell wrote:1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:
I personally don't think we're entitled to want Dan to do anything in this matter. As someone who has refrained from using labels as well, I totally get why he doesn't want one and I don't think not choosing a label is wrong or a matter of confidence. Some people are 100% sure they're straight, bi or gay... some are not. I used to label myself as gay but I do find myself falling for men sometimes and at this point I have no idea what exactly to make of it so I won't pick a label other than queer. I don't think "I don't want a label" is really a matter of just "hints and references" either. Male attraction mentions aren't hints in my opinion. He's outright made it clear he likes men and women and doesn't want to be labeled and that's where we stand so I'm absolutely satisfied with that, mostly because I think he his confident and comfortable with that identity and that's what matters most.
gohomohowell wrote: 2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.
Maybe I should skip this question because I'm not a shipper and don't watch their videos for shipping reasons to begin with but if they came out as a couple and nothing at all changed... good for them. It's the same difference for me. Should they ever come out as anything other than friends all I want is for them to be comfortable in the way they present that potential relationship. And I'd prefer nothing at all changing to using their relationship for the views like some others do. (I'm really missing the shrugging emoji, please pretend it's here.)
gohomohowell wrote:1. Who do you really prefer out of Dan and Phil?
Phil. Always have, always will. I love Dan but I like Phil better and I don't think there's any shame in admitting that. I like Dan for his humour and sarcasm but I really appreciate Phil's wholesome content. If I need cheering up, I go straight to Phil's channel.
gohomohowell wrote:2. How many times have you shared Lord Voldemort's best phan edit of all?
I don't have it, have never shared it and haven't even seen it. Ever. Last time I admitted that on Tumblr people came at me for playing "holier-than-thou" but that's not my intent at all. I've just never seen it. I heard that deppy don't want that video shared and watched so I stayed away from it. Not shipping them probably helped a lot because it's completely uninteresting for me because I don't care whether they are or aren't an item.
gohomohowell wrote:4. If Dantru and Phollum came out separately disclosing non-straight sexualities, but not as being a couple, what would you think? Would you say that coming out as being in a gay couple is a bigger deal than coming out as non straight, or would you get annoyed and say that they're ship baiting etc.?
I don't see how it would be shipbaiting. We've had this discussion many many times but I'll state my opinion again because everyone looooves to hear it (lol): Dan and Phil are doing exactly nothing shippy at all. Their behaviour is interpreted as couply by some but it really isn't so much couply as more two men expressing fondness in a way many people think men can not express fondness towards each other in a non-romantic way (whilst girls do it all the time and no one bats an eye, double standards much?). So yeah, no shipbaiting. I currently believe that neither Dan nor Phil are straight but they might actually not be together (even though it absolutely doesn't matter what I believe, it's their business) so I don't see why seperately coming out as non-straight but not as a couple shouldn't be a possibility for them. Dan's already done it anyway, so...
gohomohowell wrote:5. Have you ever stalked too far and found stuff that you shouldn't have? (Not talking about voldy here, other stuff such as addresses or full names etc.)
I've never stalked at all (see above: not a shipper, no interest in finding out anything, no need to stalk) but I've come across some stuff I wish I hadn't seen. Dan's old naked pictures for instance. I've seen them on Tumblr and only later found out that Dan doesn't want them shared so I do feel guilty about having seen them even though I wasn't looking for them, they just popped up on my dash a few times. These days when they do I just scroll past real quick, I'm not comfortable looking at them knowing Dan would hate it. But other than that... nothing.
gohomohowell wrote:7. What's the average age on this site? (This is just me asking generally lmao, there must be a lot of people my age and younger but it seems they're the quiet and inactive minority/majority)
I'm in my mid-20s, I've been watching Dan and Phil since late 2012 or early 2013, I don't really remember. I don't think I shouldn't be here. I'm in the same age group as Dan and Phil and their content is kind of ageless for me. Sure, teens enjoy it but so can adults. That's what I love about them and about the phandom. Everyone might think it's all screaming teen girls or whatever but their audience is pretty diverse when it comes to age.
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gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 amTwo more optional questions:

1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.

Honesty, honesty, honesty!

And you're welcome <3
thank you for more questions, so nice to see the thread moving so fast :)

1) tbh, I used to think that there's a pretty big possibility that he's straight. even though I try not to assume anything, before the tinder video I still wasn't sure. my views on him were largely based on what he was saying in 2011-13 and I feel like the reason why I had this doubt was because phan shippers usually don't separate his sexuality from his and Phil's relationship status. it's like "Dan is gay/bi/pan/whatever so he's with Phil!!1 my ship is sailing phan is real Dan lolzor you're such a liar no homo howell!!1" with many of them, and so it took me some time to come to a realization that Dan in fact isn't straight, but it certainly doesn't mean he's in a relationship with Phil. that would explain all of his customer service department answers and younows/vyous and just generally fits the narrative, at least to me. also, he can't be accused of queerbaiting since he himself is queer, which was the main issue I had with him before. and well, after the tinder video I personally don't need a clear confirmation of him being non-straight. it's just, I don't feel like I'm in a position to dictate him what to do with his life, especially when it comes to such personal subjects like coming out and sexuality as a whole. dunno how some people can literally go and demand anything from both Dan and Phil and shoving their 'demands' right in their faces. the phandom is too entitled, sadly. if he wants to live his life without a label, who cares? I actually agree with him, this desire to label someone and put everyone in a box is annoying, labels are annoying lol someone else's sexuality shouldn't matter to people that much. so yeah, Dan (and Phil) should do whatever they're comfortable with doing imo.

2) like I've said before, I don't watch them for the ship at all and I'm not a shipper. I love their content and enjoy them as people (at least from what we can see of them, their public image), so I would just be very, very happy for them and would continue to watch and support them, of course :) I wouldn't want them to be another Tyler Oakley whose entire online presence and personality revolve around sexuality and politics, though, but I seriously doubt they'd ever be one of those people. they're private and have been private for a very long time and I see no reason not to respect it, I guess. again, whatever makes them happy. not to mention I adore Phil and his vids make me smile and feel better, so it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where I'd stop watching him entirely lol him not being all touchy with Dan if they're indeed a couple certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker :lol: they would certainly have their reasons not to be all over each other on camera
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000dia000 wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:31 pm
gohomohowell wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:38 pm It's weird, though. Despite many people claiming they prefer Phil, I think we can all agree that there's a bit of focus on Dan on here. You know, we talk about his mental health a lot more than Phil's just as we talk more about his family than Phil's. Thoughts?
I think, as it was once put, Dan puts forward a lot more ambiguity. He alludes to something and leaves people stumped. Then people come here to talk about it. However, Phil tends to be quite blatant about things and says things outright, or otherwise completely ignores topics and just doesn't discuss it. Think of Dan as having difficulty disguising emotion and letting things blurt out, while Phil is quite tight-lipped and discreet. However, contrary to what people may suggest, there's actually no mystery to Phil (if you consider his words) but Dan's words hold more interpretation. Phil is also sneaky and says things indirectly and kind of off-hand, therefore going under the radar. You see a lot of people commenting "wait....Phil said WHAT!!!" because they miss him his subtlety and general quietness over Dan being quite loud and dominant in videos.
Dan's a bit dramatic. He doesn't upload regularly, and when he does he hypes it up. He calls for people to get excited, then delivers, and there's the positive and negative fallout. He's over dramatic in his videos. He's loud. He get's people's attention. Phil's sometimes lost underneath it all because he's a lot quieter, calmer, more straight-forward.

Also, while I'm not sure everybody's willing to admit it, but Dan just get's more attention because he's more popular. However, I do think people are more open to criticizing him/commending him than they are for Phil. While Phil does get negative attention, usually someone has to point out how Dan is getting so much negative attention that it finally diverts. Dan videos bring up discussions like sexuality, quality content, mental health, secret projects and the like. Phil's video's are more slice of life, talks about himself or things he does. You learn about what he does and what's flashy and bright, but nothing about Phil as a person. Dan presents topics, open for discussion. But Phil presents a picture, and yet people still sometimes miss what's right in front of them.
Also, people might just more subconsciously like Dan. People might just find that there's more to talk about with Dan, even if they prefer Phil, they might not have anything to say beyond what they like about him or his videos. I usually try to make posts about Phil due to these reasons, and analysis (or even call-outs) of him are usually some of the more interesting topics on this forum because of that. Dan can get a little repetitive sometimes, he's more "exciting" but he sure does go around in circles.
Concerning family and mental health: Phil shows his family more than Dan's, so that self explains how Dan's family remains a "mystery." A lot of what we know about him and his family can be easily accessed through videos or social media, they've appeared in videos, and his own brother helps run a company! Dan, on the other hand, we know so little about him and his family from his videos. Everything else has to be pulled from supah secret tumblr blogs you have to search for, screenshots of an old website, and from speculation of itself. In regards to mental health, that's where things are quite different from them. Dan seems to be open about being upset, about things getting him down, crisis and mood swings. Failure and uncertainty. Phil, on the other hand, we've learned so little. We know that his friend died, that he sometimes has such bad nightmares and wakes up crying, that he's afraid of death and does everything but confront it, and seems to have quite a case of Peter Pan syndrome. Most importantly, we know that a secret video of his, being emotionally open, was dispensed across the internet for everyone to see, and yet so many people made it all about Dan. Why? Because Dan was the one who opened up about it, insisted it was fake, made a tumblr blog in defense of it, and lashed out at people concerning it. Dan was the open "sufferer" and people still make it all about Dan. We honestly don't know a lot about Phil, only that he's private, but that he's emotionally and mentally quite strong. In the recent interview with Sue, Dan expressed how hate comments don't bother Phil, he's passive and let's it get by without it even bothering him. This same Phil once expressed wanting to delete his channel when he got his first hate comment. This same Phil recounted how a bully stabbed him with a compass and then proceeded to shrug it off. That's Phil. He shrugs off things that could bother him or what other people hold very tightly as a defense. Or just ignores anything that's better off being ignored (death and maturity)seriously, who the fuck wants to talk about death?. He's passive and he's (as far as we can tell) an emotionally strong person that likes to keep things to himself. I think he's had a much more successful adulthood than Dan has, in that he has had the environment to find himself, find out who he is, and emotionally balance himself. Dan hasn't had this opportunity and doesn't know what to do with his life and who he is. But I digress.
I don't think how people talk and view Dan and Phil would change unless they switched places. Arguably, Phil would be more talked about if he were to tackle hard cases head on. I don't think he could put himself out there naked and vulnerable as Dan is able to do, but that's what makes him different. If Phil took on Dan's qualities of being assertive, open, and downright waffly about topics, then he might lose the characteristics that a lot of people like him for. Vice versa for Dan. I would like Phil to be more open, but I don't think I would like him to be more vulnerable, or expose himself. I'm glad that he knows that too, and that him and Dan assert that about him. I don't think anything will change how people on IDB, the phandom, how damn interviewers, and (as Dan puts it) "the filmmakers of YouTube" talk about them. Dan's the approachable "complexity", Phil isn't complex by what he gives, it's what he leaves up to speculation that people are not able to touch.

/word vomit over
before the discussion moved on even further ahead I'd like to join the admiration for everything that's been said in this post.

I hid a part of it to save space and highlight the things I especially liked.

I'm not that keen on answering all the little survey questions as I don't think I would contribute anything fresh or revealing to it. I pretty much agree with a lot of things being said, except for one. call me crazy (and you won't be wrong :lol: ) but I love Dan's screaming! I even watch all of their videos with headphones for the sake of it. at least for the first time. I like it that he's so loud and all over the place. imo that somehow emphasizes the contrast between Dan and Phil, and I'm always here for their beautiful harmonious contrast. so yes, scream all you want please :lol:

which brings me to the first question of the survey.
first things first, I'd like to say that I wouldn't ever want to really have to choose between them. I see Dan and Phil as a unit (but I love their separate content as well and I realise that they're talented creators each on their own). but if somebody put a gun to my head, I would say Phil.

I've been thinking about it a lot actually. I'm quite new to the phandom, it's only been a year and a half since I fell into the pit :) and at first I was naturally drawn to Dan. I feel that a lot of people (including me) fall for his great wit and good looks. whereas I don't think you can fully appreciate Phil for what he's like when you first see him.

but once you start looking...

you know, Dan is like a diamond. you see him and you're immediately dazzled. and the way he alludes you to something, it's as if he's always showing us a different facet of himself. and this new facet is shinier and brighter than the one before, and it's riveting, you never know which facet it will be next time, so it draws your attention and doesn't let you go. at the same time you can never see all the sides at once, there's always an air of mystery and it makes you want to see more and more.

Phil on the other side is like a treasure chest with a lid open. 'hey, guys, come and look what I've got, just be careful please and don't touch anything :) ' and you come and have a look, and it seems like there's no mystery at all. but the thing is - you can only see what's on the surface and under it there's this entire chest full of treasures yet to be uncovered (if there's a chance of it at all). and for me that's far more... intriguing.

I don't think I want to see 'what's in the chest' but anyway that's my explanation of why I prefer Phil over Dan :garbage:

I hope it's not all that messed up, it's so much harder to be articulate in English even though I teach it :lol:

to add up to the statistics I'm Dan's age :)
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captainspacecoat wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:52 am
archived wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:47 pm 7. Older than it should be, I'm 16 and no offence but some people on here remind me of twilight mums.
I think I probably thought the same about older fans when I was 16, but as I've gotten older I've realised that you don't just magically become """an adult""" lol. Interests don't just disappear when you turn 18, and you don't just suddenly become interested in designated "sophisticated" adult things. Also, it makes sense that so many people in their 20s and 30s (and older!) are interested in Dan and Phil, as we're actually closer in age and life stage to Dan and Phil than teenagers are. Also, some of us have been here since we were teenagers (I was 16 when I first started watching), why should we have to just pack it all up and move on once we reach adulthood if our interest in them hasn't waned? With time, my opinions on Dan and Phil have matured and I've actually learned a lot about myself through them, and ultimately Dan and Phil are a great, lighthearted escape from uni, work and the hellscape that is 2017. There are no rules, let people enjoy what they enjoy regardless of age.
Thank you for this refreshing attitude! At 29 it seems I'm one of the older members of this forum, but I have been watching Phil since I was 18 and Dan since I was 21! Why should I have grown out of D&P (and YouTube in general, my teenage cousins think I'm super weird for still being interested in it!) when I, and many other fans my age, were pioneers of the platform?

The snotty attitude of 'mainstream media' and, to be honest, the fandoms themselves, that YouTube is just for teenagers really pisses me off. There was a discussion on here the other day about D&P being 'looked down on' as something for just teenage girls, but I think the attitude that they're only for that demographic is perpetuated between the Phandom itself, whio think it's 'weird' when people in their mid 20's and later (so literally Dan and Phil's age..) are interested in the boys.

The same happens across other fandoms too. Apparently being a vocal, visible, older fan of anything online is weird. But sorry, older fans do exist, we have more free time and disposable income than teenagers to spend on the things we like, and we have as much right to be here as anyone else.

This is inherently different from middle aged women getting hot and bothered about romance novels written specifically for teenagers, and lusting over 17-year-old Taylor Lautner. This is people consuming and interacting with content made by their peers.

(Sorry - this is a sore subject for me).
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gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:
okay i'll try to answer this one real quick so it doesn't get too personal

i want to see dan doing what makes him most happy and comfortable with himself. we bring up the ken doll analogy all the time ... but honestly, it's kind of true, and it always makes me uncomfortable when i see people say they kinda wish he were pansexual or asexual or agender (etc.), because he's an actual real person and goodness knows i wouldn't want people trying to push me into a box for a little representation. :? let's face it, coming out as anything other than straight, even in 2017, can be fucking scary, and i don't blame anybody who wants to keep it ambiguous or only give out informal hints, no matter how privileged their life may seem.

that said, i understand that his sexuality is important to him, and if he ever wants to do a 'proper' coming out vid, i'm not going to shame him for refusing labels earlier, because that's not what it's about. sure, representation is cool, but wanting him to be explicit about his sexuality before you will take his mentions of male attraction seriously just seems to me like you think that the only lgbt+ people who matter are those who have done the whole 'coming out' shebang, and that just makes me writhe.

tl;dr: sexuality is a complicated thing.
gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.
well, this does boil down to ... why do you watch deppy at all? i watch them now, and have always watched them for the same reason. they make me happy. when i first found them, i thought their joint videos were the bomb, i thought they were the funniest youtubers i'd ever seen and i looked forward to all their videos (not that they uploaded regularly even then). but i hardly ever read the comments and so didn't know much about phan, and didn't really care, because i didn't want to put them in a box, and that wasn't the reason i watched them anyway. now, after having fallen down the rabbit hole in late 2015 and early 2016 and discovered all the backstory (drug deal, timelines, formspring, you name it), i now believe that they are in a relationship, and have been since 2009. i don't need a confirmation, because that's not why i watch them anyway. i watch them because they make me happy, and because they've enriched my life, i want them to be happy too. get that dog and koi pond and forever home, boys :D

(i thought i'd be real quick and i ended up writing way more than i thought i would :lol: )
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gohomohowell wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am Two more optional questions:

1. Do you want Dan to come out with a label? As bisexual, pansexual, anything like that? Do you secretly wish that he did so no one could ever reasonably think of him as straight again? Or are you really satisfied with how it is now, just picking up the hints and references? Do you agree with Dan not wanting any labels, or do you secretly think that's dumb and believe he must have a label that he's just not confident enough to share yet? Divulge, divulge :twisted:

2. Let's say, Dan and Phil come out as a couple. It's simple - a caption on an Instagram post calling each other boyfriends or a kiss on the cheek. But after that confirmation.... nothing happens. They act exactly the same, sit exactly the same distance apart and you won't ever get any public kisses or hugs out of them. Maybe it's out of habit for them, or they're afraid of the backlash or they feel uncomfortable with all the fetishizing teen girls, whatever. But would you lose interest or would you keep speculating? Would you watch their videos with as much vigor as before? Or would you abandon ship? Because this is something we reference a lot but never give our own answers to.
Sorry for the double post but I was so outraged by the 'Twilight-mums' comment that I didn't see these questions and I have enjoyed reading people's answers and contributing to the discussion.

1 - I think Dan (and everyone!) should do exactly what they're comfortable with in regards to sexuality. My hunch is that he probably does have some kind of a label that he uses, even begrudgingly, e.g. to come out to his grandma in terms she would understand. But he might not feel it represents him fully so doesn't want to use it 'in public'. Or he might just prefer to keep some things about himself private. God knows I would if I was him. If he 'came out' either casually or in a formal video, with a particular label, I'd be happy with him but it's not something I need. Same with Phil.

2 - I have to preface this by saying I still don't actually think D&P are a couple (although it's now like 60% sure as opposed to 90% when I entered the Phandom). If they did this, however, I would take it as confirmation. I would enjoy their content exactly as much as I currently do, because I'm interested in their dynamic not their relationship status. And I would sit back and wait for the vocal minority of people who are seriously vehemently against the two of them being together to insist that it wasn't 'really' proof they were a couple.

Also to the person who asked roughly how much their rent on the old place was: based on when my ex and I were looking for similar sized flats in the same area, I reckon £2,500 to £3,000 is a good ballpark estimate.
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