Dan & Phil Part 6: Choke Me Dad(dy)

[Anonymousse]

I don't like mangoes, they taste like pine to me.

I don't think they are queerbating, but I probably often "see things that aren't there" because of Phan goggles lol.

I have a pretty good gaydar (got this proven about 2 days ago while stalking a few of my friends) and I'm getting a lot stronger vibes from both D'n'P. If they are straight that would be a huge surprise to me tbh. But then again it's their life and privacy (tho I wish to be a SPIDER on the wall).

I wish people would just suggest very physically intimate stuff for 7sc, ("make out for seven seconds" lawl), phandom please, make my not-so-middleaged bellybuttonpervs dreams come tru.

[oqua]

[offtopic]Question for the archivers,
I'm looking through Dan's Dailybooth on Wayback around 2010 and/or 2011 and I'm trying to see who he was following, but all I can seem to get is page one before I get non-archived errors. Any chance any of you know how to see all the people he was following?[/offtopic]

Hi. I think it might be impossible to compile an complete list because the earliest archive date I can find is September 24th, so the first 6 people he followed had been bumped off the list of his follows by more recent people. However, when he stopped using Dailybooth he was following 142 people, and I was able to piece together a list of all of them except those first 6 he followed. (Also note that for some reason it appears that he followed himself and Dailybooth included this among his follows, idk.)

PEOPLE DAN WAS FOLLOWING ON DAILYBOOTH:

1.  ohmydaniel
2.  michaelaranda
3.  klavehicle
4.  crabstickz
5.  JackHoward
6.  AlliSpeed
7.  LisaLavie
8.  mandy_88 / itsamandything
9.  buckhollywood
10.  ZacharySterling / Zacharyxbinks
11.  mmitchelldaviss
12.  tyleroakley
13.  Smosh
14.  heynadine
15.  samcarne
16.  OlgaKay
17.  jameslamont
18.  samanthaR19
19.  antcakes
20.  kirstykannibal
21.  eddplant
22.  moohalaa
23.  justAaron
24.  Dan_Ev
25.  iamanthonygrey
26.  wtftomcoolio
27.  CassG08
28.  coollike
29.  CheekTV
30.  harryyyyy
31.  Jesus
32.  WatchinHarrison
33.  casioclark
34.  JugginsJosh
35.  NevilleTheGnome
36.  lazzface
37.  DemuProductions
38.  DudeNeedaEaseOnUp
39.  impaulgriffiths
40.  ooeremily
41.  JohnnyDurham
42.  nadiahasnobrain
43.  WatchinHarrison
44.  Bigyellowbooth
45.  LauraMarvel
46.  GazzyTube
47.  elTanko
48.  ChloehIshHere
49.  IngridDynamite
50.  Rhymenosaurus
51.  haribo
52.  Joebonte
53.  EllieCalder
54.  alittlestranger
55.  katymon
56.  danisnotonfire
57.  rachyisonfire
58.  wirrow
59.  bran_max
60.  PJ
61.  L0VEgun
62.  EffyM
63.  Sebastian_T
64.  afterdarks
65.  maatt
66.  itscalum010
67.  iforgotmyonlinename
68.  conormusic / crushcrushconor
69.  AlexTheMagix
70.  indiemink
71.  lightscameraashlee
72.  KayteeLou
73.  World
74.  dailybooth
75.  LisaNova
76.  KassemG
77.  Vylonius
78.  HighWithEnergy
79.  HeyItsPav
80.  JedrenBlack
81.  geomadness95
82.  Kai
83.  AndrewBravener
84.  RawrBoots
85.  Hatti
86.  Conor
87.  Itz_Jack
88.  Jackfx
89.  Kapowyyy
90.  mygirlhiro
91.  SHAAAdangg
92.  hexachordal
93.  iianardo
94.  Daveface
95.  tinoforever
96.  GoldieLove
97.  doug
98.  Tomush
99.  3
100.  Nakedbooth
101.  ohmygarters
102.  ohitsjustin
103.  OL1
104.  WhataDayDerek
105.  secretbooth
106.  thisworldisnotmyhome
107.  HighWithEnergy
108.  jacktron
109.  barnaby
110.  sea_air_uhh
111.  hvrs
112.  AshFoo
113.  Jerry
114.  paperlilies
115.  Crideout17
116.  P4ul3h
117.  elceetaylor
118.  ohhaikelc
119.  Snoops
120.  3sixty5days
121.  charlieandstephen
122.  xFAWNx
123.  lexcanroar
124.  zoomswhizzkid
125.  Lee
126.  indiemink
127.  charlie
128.  dailivesinaustria
129.  Karrl
130.  dudeliawesome
131.  aidandisney
132.  Jayoey
133.  mememolly
134.  Ahhhlice
135.  SwiftSign
136.  shanedawson
137.  ?
138.  ?
139.  ?
140.  ?
141.  ?
142.  ?

The sad thing is that I'm sure Phil was one of those 6, and I want to know which one he was, because of course I want to have confirmation that he was the first one, because I am trash.

[DryCereal]

I wish people would just suggest very physically intimate stuff for 7sc, ("make out for seven seconds" lawl), phandom please, make my not-so-middleaged bellybuttonpervs dreams come tru.

Not a chance in hell m'lovely. You can bet the suggestions will be picked ahead of time, not just pulled 100% at random! (more's the pity)

[gnostic]

I think there is a lot in perspective. If you are thinking they are dating then you focus on their denials. If you think they aren't, you see their queerbaiting with how hard they play it up

Regarding vibes, yes, poor Dan pings everyone's gaydar. Or in admittedly crass words of my good friend "he acts like every thirsty bottom twink I've ever fucked"

[SquishPhan]

[offtopic]Question for the archivers,
I'm looking through Dan's Dailybooth on Wayback around 2010 and/or 2011 and I'm trying to see who he was following, but all I can seem to get is page one before I get non-archived errors. Any chance any of you know how to see all the people he was following?[/offtopic]

Hi. I think it might be impossible to compile an complete list because the earliest archive date I can find is September 24th, so the first 6 people he followed had been bumped off the list of his follows by more recent people. However, when he stopped using Dailybooth he was following 142 people, and I was able to piece together a list of all of them except those first 6 he followed. (Also note that for some reason it appears that he followed himself and Dailybooth included this among his follows, idk.)

PEOPLE DAN WAS FOLLOWING ON DAILYBOOTH:

1.  ohmydaniel
2.  michaelaranda
3.  klavehicle
4.  crabstickz
5.  JackHoward
6.  AlliSpeed
7.  LisaLavie
8.  mandy_88 / itsamandything
9.  buckhollywood
10.  ZacharySterling / Zacharyxbinks
11.  mmitchelldaviss
12.  tyleroakley
13.  Smosh
14.  heynadine
15.  samcarne
16.  OlgaKay
17.  jameslamont
18.  samanthaR19
19.  antcakes
20.  kirstykannibal
21.  eddplant
22.  moohalaa
23.  justAaron
24.  Dan_Ev
25.  iamanthonygrey
26.  wtftomcoolio
27.  CassG08
28.  coollike
29.  CheekTV
30.  harryyyyy
31.  Jesus
32.  WatchinHarrison
33.  casioclark
34.  JugginsJosh
35.  NevilleTheGnome
36.  lazzface
37.  DemuProductions
38.  DudeNeedaEaseOnUp
39.  impaulgriffiths
40.  ooeremily
41.  JohnnyDurham
42.  nadiahasnobrain
43.  WatchinHarrison
44.  Bigyellowbooth
45.  LauraMarvel
46.  GazzyTube
47.  elTanko
48.  ChloehIshHere
49.  IngridDynamite
50.  Rhymenosaurus
51.  haribo
52.  Joebonte
53.  EllieCalder
54.  alittlestranger
55.  katymon
56.  danisnotonfire
57.  rachyisonfire
58.  wirrow
59.  bran_max
60.  PJ
61.  L0VEgun
62.  EffyM
63.  Sebastian_T
64.  afterdarks
65.  maatt
66.  itscalum010
67.  iforgotmyonlinename
68.  conormusic / crushcrushconor
69.  AlexTheMagix
70.  indiemink
71.  lightscameraashlee
72.  KayteeLou
73.  World
74.  dailybooth
75.  LisaNova
76.  KassemG
77.  Vylonius
78.  HighWithEnergy
79.  HeyItsPav
80.  JedrenBlack
81.  geomadness95
82.  Kai
83.  AndrewBravener
84.  RawrBoots
85.  Hatti
86.  Conor
87.  Itz_Jack
88.  Jackfx
89.  Kapowyyy
90.  mygirlhiro
91.  SHAAAdangg
92.  hexachordal
93.  iianardo
94.  Daveface
95.  tinoforever
96.  GoldieLove
97.  doug
98.  Tomush
99.  3
100.  Nakedbooth
101.  ohmygarters
102.  ohitsjustin
103.  OL1
104.  WhataDayDerek
105.  secretbooth
106.  thisworldisnotmyhome
107.  HighWithEnergy
108.  jacktron
109.  barnaby
110.  sea_air_uhh
111.  hvrs
112.  AshFoo
113.  Jerry
114.  paperlilies
115.  Crideout17
116.  P4ul3h
117.  elceetaylor
118.  ohhaikelc
119.  Snoops
120.  3sixty5days
121.  charlieandstephen
122.  xFAWNx
123.  lexcanroar
124.  zoomswhizzkid
125.  Lee
126.  indiemink
127.  charlie
128.  dailivesinaustria
129.  Karrl
130.  dudeliawesome
131.  aidandisney
132.  Jayoey
133.  mememolly
134.  Ahhhlice
135.  SwiftSign
136.  shanedawson
137.  ?
138.  ?
139.  ?
140.  ?
141.  ?
142.  ?

The sad thing is that I'm sure Phil was one of those 6, and I want to know which one he was, because of course I want to have confirmation that he was the first one, because I am trash.

It would indeed be great if we could confirm that Phil was the first one.

[annetamiau]

Regarding shipbaiting: actually, the fact that they refrain from very obvious physical contact is one of the (many) things that make me think they are together. They are not as bold as, let's say, jaspar, who are way more touchy-feely than Dan and Phil without ever compromising their 'bro' image, which is something Dan and Phil would never manage to do. However, D and P do certain fancervicey things, like for example dancing at the Brit Awards two years ago, or the moment with the yellow flower this year. It's not as bold as what other youtubers do, but they clearly know what they are doing, and they include 'staged' moments that end up going viral on tumblr which is something that keeps the mystery alive and gives them views/$$$.

And yeah, my gaydar told me they were not straight in the first minute of the first video I ever watched. I know gaydars are kinda problematic and often based on stereotypes, but they are often right too (at least that's my experience).

[gnostic]

Regarding shipbaiting: actually, the fact that they refrain from very obvious physical contact is one of the (many) things that make me think they are together. They are not as bold as, let's say, jaspar, who are way more touchy-feely than Dan and Phil without ever compromising their 'bro' image, which is something Dan and Phil would never manage to do. However, D and P do certain fancervicey things, like for example dancing at the Brit Awards two years ago, or the moment with the yellow flower this year. It's not as bold as what other youtubers do, but they clearly know what they are doing, and they include 'staged' moments that end up going viral on tumblr which is something that keeps the mystery alive and gives them views/$$$.

And yeah, my gaydar told me they were not straight in the first minute of the first video I ever watched. I know gaydars are kinda problematic and often based on stereotypes, but they are often right too (at least that's my experience).

I agree with you except on them being together part

And offtopic, but it pisses me off when people say gaydars are not a thing. Try living in a country where approaching a wrong person might get you beaten up, that'll tune your gaydar for sure

[majitzu]

I don't think they are queerbaiting, shipbaiting whateverotherbaiting. But there will be people acusing them of some kind of baiting. If at the end of the time we find they were not together the only thing I will need is a phan support group and if they are I will be happy of the confirmation.

In both cases there willmbe people angry acusing them of some kind of baiting and I will be lurking waiting for the shitstorm to past

[wtfamidoinghere]

I think there is a lot in perspective. If you are thinking they are dating then you focus on their denials. If you think they aren't, you see their queerbaiting with how hard they play it up

But i don't ship them and i don't have an opinion on whether or not they are together. I'd like to know, but not enough to analyze their behaviour. And i never thought they play anything up.
The dancing and flower thing are the only things i can think of and i'd call them more fanservice than actual baiting

[spider]

Will repost from the Other Youtubers thread my opinion on queerbaiting. Also applies to shipbaiting.

Since I think they're in a relationship I don't care if they are queerbaiting. Straight people do it so non straight people more than have the right. That's only my opinion as a gay person. Not everyone is going to agree or has to. If they're not in a relationship somehow then that changes of course.

OT: (Premise: I really believe are inside the glass closet.)
I just saw that Sam Tsui just came out and married his long time partner. I thought we was gay and out all these years. And he was able to hide the long time partner? That for me says a lot about YT community. **Looks at Dan and Phil .** If D&P are together, does this mean there are more Youtubers who know the real score than we suspected?

According to Google Sam Tsui came out and then married his partner the very next day. Shooting lasers with my eyes at Deppy.

It's well known that YTers cover for each other's relationships. Remember Zalfie? It wouldn't be that surprising if it turned out a lot more people know than we think. Maybe it's even public knowledge within YT circles.

I have a pretty good gaydar (got this proven about 2 days ago while stalking a few of my friends) and I'm getting a lot stronger vibes from both D'n'P. If they are straight that would be a huge surprise to me tbh. But then again it's their life and privacy (tho I wish to be a SPIDER on the wall).

Agree with all of this. Especially the 2nd small text.

5.  JackHoward

12.  tyleroakley
13.  Smosh

58.  wirrow

82.  Kai

90.  mygirlhiro

114.  paperlilies

136.  shanedawson

Quoted the ones that stood out most.
5. 12. 13. 136. Did Dan know them all for that long or did he follow them because they were popular YTers?
58. 114. He followed Wirrow a lot later than Bryony. Did they start dating at that time or did Bryony only introduce them later?
82. There was a Kai nobody recognized in Deppy's Instagram follows. Probably the same person. Don't know who he is still but he seems to have been famous on the internet since a long time ago.
90. That's Duncan. Cute that Dan has been following him since then which means Phil introduced them pretty early. Unless Duncan was popular on YT even back then? Does anyone know?

[phamnotof]

re: queerbaiting - I do think it's immensely important to draw a distinction between what we consider 'queerbaiting' and what we consider 'shipbaiting'.
if we're talking about shipbaiting - playing up 'phan moments' - then no, they've long since been guilty of that. if we'd assume they weren't together (excuse me while I lolzor), then yeah, there was a time where they did absolutely shipbait regardless of whether they're are or aren't straight. Even outside of voldy (which'd make it a frankly cruel piece of garbage that would feel like a slap in the face to most LGBT people out there) not being real in this hypotetical scenario, they used to flirt heavily on social media & those posts were up for quite some time. the "everybody did it" argument is neither here nor there, it would still absolutely be shipbaiting.
now, queerbaiting: obviously, let's make an argument they're straight again (lolzor, yeah, okay, but for the sake fo the argument) - even dismissing the early days (as proven by the shipbaiting, as when you shipbait as two straight men, you're also always queerbaiting), after The Dark Ages, there have been comments made by the both of them that would count as queerbaiting. More prominantly with Dan, who often puts his attraction to men on the same level and in the same sentences as his attraction to women, but more subtly also with Phil.

(sidenote: I don't wanna talk about vibes and gaydars as they're both unreliable and deeply problematic, what makes me think they're both not straight and together is just the two of them, their history, they way they are around each other, and - as far as being not-straight goes - just expressing attraction to the same gender on numerous occasions in situations and in a tone that does not in any way feel humorous. like what is a more obvious indicator? neither is ever gonna literally sit down on a dick in front of us, sadly, and there comes a point where denying the way they express their non-straightness will just make us heteronormative as fuck.)

[internetakeover]

Ahh I love this discussion! I said to a couple of people last year 'if I thought Dan were straight I wouldn't be able to support him', and that still holds true. Mostly that's due to a different angle on his 2012 comments - I know people who think D&P are dating and still can't get over that - but it's connected to the idea of him currently queerbaiting too. With the amount of times he's mentioned being attracted to guys in 2016 alone, if he's straight then he's flat-out queerbaiting imo. Dropping male attraction mentions that much seems deliberate, and he knows exactly how people are taking this. While I do accept a certain degree of the 'it's not their intent, it's how we're taking it' argument re: ship-baiting, for queerbaiting he would have crossed the line a good couple of years ago for me. No one can accuse Phil of queerbaiting, he definitely doesn't talk about attraction enough to go anywhere near that!

I think they're in the clear as regards 'using' their relationship/ship baiting currently though, if they're not dating. If they secretly hated each other and had constructed dinof and ap and that whole relationship entirely for views that would be one thing, but as far as anyone can tell they are actually, genuinely close friends. They're not overacting a fabricated closeness for viewers, and are certainly not pushing any kind of ambiguous angle. Any time they mention phan, or there's any kind of phanservice, it's either a clear joke or just a simple acknowledgement, rather than anything supporting the idea that they might actually be dating, and that for me stops it really being anything problematic? I don't think normal friend behaviours such as occasionally touching can really be called ship baiting - the distinction I personally tend to make on fanservice, or the fanservice I'm less comfortable with, is when something is specifically performed for the camera alone, and is in no way a normal interaction. D&P never do something that implies being in a relationship at all, really, with the one exception of dancing at the BRITs 2015, and I'm still surprised by how seriously some people seemed to take that! That's where the 'it's not their intent, it's how people are taking it' argument actually floats for me; I doubt they imagined anyone would seriously think they'd been caught out there, or take that as 'phan proof', thereby stopping it from being shipbaiting in my eyes.

i really hope that makes sense i have to run back to revision now, ugh. all my views/thoughts are super flexible, as always

[daphenaxa]

yeah but - again regardless of them being together or not- there was no ship in 2009 when they heavily flirted. I don't consider it ship baiting because at the time it was two guys flirting on social media. and yeah Phil already had some subscribers blablabla but there was not this frenetic culture around them. Is everyone flirting online and oversharing on social media ship baiting then?

[SquishPhan]

yeah but - again regardless of them being together or not- there was no ship in 2009 when they heavily flirted. I don't consider it ship baiting because at the time it was two guys flirting on social media. and yeah Phil already had some subscribers blablabla but there was not this frenetic culture around them. Is everyone flirting online and oversharing on social media ship baiting then?

I agree with this. Yes they were openly flirting back in the days, but I don't consider that to be baiting since there weren't people shipping them or anything of that sort. I doubt very much that the people who then followed them cared about their flirting (certainly nowhere near the extend as people do now). So there weren't people to bait back then.

[phamnotof]

yeah but - again regardless of them being together or not- there was no ship in 2009 when they heavily flirted. I don't consider it ship baiting because at the time it was two guys flirting on social media. and yeah Phil already had some subscribers blablabla but there was not this frenetic culture around them. Is everyone flirting online and oversharing on social media ship baiting then?

if it was genuine flirting (which I do believe it to be), then yes, you're right, flirting online is fine no matter your following.
however, if we wanna play the if game: if they were both straight men with no interest in dating one another, it wouldn't be flirting, and we'd have to consider another intent. and yeah shipping was certainly a *thing* in 2009, and as they were both interested in YT fame from day, if we were to assume they were not actually interested in one another (how many times can I sayy lolzor before it becomes redundant?), then the most logical assumption would be that they were trying to use the allure of shipping and create that culture around each other to enlarge their popularity, and in that case yeah, it's shipbaiting, in my opinion.

[Ticia]

Will repost from the Other Youtubers thread my opinion on queerbaiting. Also applies to shipbaiting.

Since I think they're in a relationship I don't care if they are queerbaiting. Straight people do it so non straight people more than have the right. That's only my opinion as a gay person. Not everyone is going to agree or has to. If they're not in a relationship somehow then that changes of course.

OT: (Premise: I really believe are inside the glass closet.)
I just saw that Sam Tsui just came out and married his long time partner. I thought we was gay and out all these years. And he was able to hide the long time partner? That for me says a lot about YT community. **Looks at Dan and Phil .** If D&P are together, does this mean there are more Youtubers who know the real score than we suspected?

It's well known that YTers cover for each other's relationships. Remember Zalfie? It wouldn't be that surprising if it turned out a lot more people know than we think. Maybe it's even public knowledge within YT circles.

Wasn't Louise herself that answered something like "you never know with these guys" when asked if they were together? This makes me think of a vlog in the US where Dan said people were careful to avoid recording YTers making out in the background, but I can't find the video

[lilMango]

All this mango talk is making me hungry as well. for my own brethren, no less. Shame.

I don't like mangoes, they taste like pine to me.

I agree with daphenaxa, I don't think they were shipbaiting initially.... but a bit later, they used shipbaiting as an excuse for a certain video getting leaked. To me, that stands out, because that's when they decided they couldn't shipbait anymore. Occasional fanservice-y actions don't count as shipbaiting to me because people outside of their fanbase would just see it as... nothing, I suppose. Before I followed who D+P were, that was my reaction to every little hand touch and the dancing thing... I just didn't notice it.
I'm going to do a taboo thing and compare their relationship to a friend that I had because I think it might be relevant.

I had a friend who did everything with me at one point. We were inseparable, and no matter what anyone tried to do we would always just be in the corner by ourselves. People said we were attached at the hip, the same person, whatever. Because people said that, I always felt a pressure to keep that synchronicity. My other friend started making things weird by saying she "shipped" us (she even wrote fanfiction about us. it was horrible) and that made us stop joking about us being "lesbian lovers lolzor." Although it didn't make things necessarily awkward, it did make us aware of every time we would do something potentially flirty. We are both straight, so we didn't want to be perceived in any other way. (plus my parents are like 100% homophobic and would disown my ass if they ever thought I was with someone w/ a girl part)

Anyway, I think that synchronicity pressure is the thing to take away here. I see that with D+P. The pressure to not only be best friends but to know everything about each other and to always be attached at the hip is something that's relevant. I don't see them as trying to be perceived as p-l-a-t-o-n-i-c bros who don't like each other in the slightest, I see them as bros who want to be perceived as super close and besties and they do everything together. Does that make sense?
TL;DR dan and phil in my opinion are not shipbaiting, and they're trying to look super close, not super far apart.

[daphenaxa]

Will repost from the Other Youtubers thread my opinion on queerbaiting. Also applies to shipbaiting.

Since I think they're in a relationship I don't care if they are queerbaiting. Straight people do it so non straight people more than have the right. That's only my opinion as a gay person. Not everyone is going to agree or has to. If they're not in a relationship somehow then that changes of course.

OT: (Premise: I really believe are inside the glass closet.)
I just saw that Sam Tsui just came out and married his long time partner. I thought we was gay and out all these years. And he was able to hide the long time partner? That for me says a lot about YT community. **Looks at Dan and Phil .** If D&P are together, does this mean there are more Youtubers who know the real score than we suspected?

It's well known that YTers cover for each other's relationships. Remember Zalfie? It wouldn't be that surprising if it turned out a lot more people know than we think. Maybe it's even public knowledge within YT circles.

Wasn't Louise herself that answered something like "you never know with these guys" when asked if they were together? This makes me think of a vlog in the US where Dan said people were careful to avoid recording YTers making out in the background, but I can't find the video

Don't remember the vlog but it's at 8:28 on this compilation:


but honestly there I think they were more talking about random hookups at parties than couples. But Dan and Phil would never in a youtube party lol. I think it is funforlouis that outed zalfie right? he also outed Will Darbyshire w his girlfriend.
(also someone on this forum has #danska as their signature. I love it. I love dan and tomska together, they cute even though i dislike tomska's content)

For the "you never know with these guys" I thought it was an urban legend. At least I have never seen it.

also i frickin love mangos. Green mango with chili sauce is my absolute favourite snack

[spider]

For the "you never know with these guys" I thought it was an urban legend. At least I have never seen it.

She supposedly said 'who knows' to some fans and it was a rumor that was never confirmed or denied.

[jhamba]

For the "you never know with these guys" I thought it was an urban legend. At least I have never seen it.

She supposedly said 'who knows' to some fans and it was a rumor that was never confirmed or denied.

There was no proof of it, but after that rumour, she liked a post on tumblr telling people to stop asking louise about Dan and Phil's relationship

[phamnotof]

Will repost from the Other Youtubers thread my opinion on queerbaiting. Also applies to shipbaiting.

Since I think they're in a relationship I don't care if they are queerbaiting. Straight people do it so non straight people more than have the right. That's only my opinion as a gay person. Not everyone is going to agree or has to. If they're not in a relationship somehow then that changes of course.

OT: (Premise: I really believe are inside the glass closet.)
I just saw that Sam Tsui just came out and married his long time partner. I thought we was gay and out all these years. And he was able to hide the long time partner? That for me says a lot about YT community. **Looks at Dan and Phil .** If D&P are together, does this mean there are more Youtubers who know the real score than we suspected?

It's well known that YTers cover for each other's relationships. Remember Zalfie? It wouldn't be that surprising if it turned out a lot more people know than we think. Maybe it's even public knowledge within YT circles.

Wasn't Louise herself that answered something like "you never know with these guys" when asked if they were together? This makes me think of a vlog in the US where Dan said people were careful to avoid recording YTers making out in the background, but I can't find the video

Don't remember the vlog but it's at 8:28 on this compilation:


but honestly there I think they were more talking about random hookups at parties than couples. But Dan and Phil would never in a youtube party lol. I think it is funforlouis that outed zalfie right? he also outed Will Darbyshire w his girlfriend.
(also someone on this forum has #danska as their signature. I love it. I love dan and tomska together, they cute even though i dislike tomska's content)

For the "you never know with these guys" I thought it was an urban legend. At least I have never seen it.

also i frickin love mangos. Green mango with chili sauce is my absolute favourite snack

zalfie were "outed" (i get uncomfortable using this term for straight ppl, but whatever) by jim chapman, i believe? but it was just like, the most random thing, zoe had a picture of the two of them as her laptop background leaning close together but not even kissing & it got caught in jim's vlog, like the HEAPS of stuff we have for D&P compared to that... it's, in the end, about whether you wanna comfirm it, deny it or let it be a rumor

and the "you never know" seems like a half-truth at best to me, I don't doubt for a second that if Louise was asked (she probably was), she'd either laugh it off or say to respect them, she was always great even about zalfie & that was hella less complicated.

as far as the YTers knowing, I never actually doubted most people they're actually friends with do & the rumor-loving others at least very strongly suspect. I mean, it's one thing to be closeted to your audience, but to the people actually in your life? for 7 years? that would be utterly heartbreaking.

[gnostic]

Wasnt it Louise who said she ships Phan like she ships herself with *another female youtuber* but doesnt believe it's real? Or am i getting her mixed up with someone else?

[jhamba]

it was just like, the most random thing, zoe had a picture of the two of them as her laptop background leaning close together but not even kissing & it got caught in jim's vlog, like the HEAPS of stuff we have for D&P compared to that... it's, in the end, about whether you wanna comfirm it, deny it or let it be a rumor

lol, basically. Dan and Phil have handled the phandom so well, it's kind of admirable. There are so many people afraid to make conclusions about them, just because they think Dan and Phil will have a major freak out again.

But, yeah, I don't understand people who are like, "It's been six years, something would have slipped out about them". Yeah, it did, and it regularly does. Everyone is just either blind to it, or too scared to point it out.

[gnostic]

Ah, i found that Louise post when she strongly implies phan isn't real, now to find out how to upload from mobile, and hope no one will ban my antiphan ass

EDIT:

http://imgur.com/FzEvhva

[phamnotof]

Ah, i found that Louise post when she strongly implies phan isn't real, now to find out how to upload from mobile, and hope no one will ban my antiphan ass

meanwhile, my phan af ass is here just like excitedly awaiting that post because I've been collecting phan reactions/opinions of the people I consider to be D&P's *close* circle of actual beloved friends & the patterns so far seem to suggest that they all have this Protect Dan And Phil Don't The Bait Shippers thing in common & I find that rather telling.

(Perspectives are weird.)

(but like, opinions, yay, either way!)