Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.

[hollyphan]

- Phil's eyes look very green today. Is it because of the shirt?
- Dan looks legit dead inside when announcing the game they were playing. Look at those dead eyes.
- Fisting jokes. Keep your kinks in the hotel rooms with seperate beds boys.
- 'Red Tiger Nuts, that's what you like to eat isn't it?' Wow Phil stop trying to out Dan.
- Dan you're a bad boyfriend for not knowing whether grandpa Bert is still alive.
- Fursona. Dan you fucking furry.
- I guessed Pandalf. It wasn't that hard. Nor was it funny.
- 'We should do some breeding.' 'Not us...' Stop disappointing me.
- ..Phil and Fursona are gonna breed. Still sounds like Phan to me.
- I don't think popping out an egg is any better than a baby...
- I'm so bored when is this ending?
- Please tell me Dan did not just howl... Omg he did. Furry.
- Even the battles in this game are boring.
- The trashcan bit is so fake :') Aside from it being too much of a coincidence, there's an obvious jumpcut there and if you look at the screen Dan's hand suddenly moves away from the iPad while it previously wasn't there.
- I didn't hate this video... but it was still bad and I'm glad it's over.

I am glad that I am not the only one who noticed this (bold part). Like what, Dan didn't know if Phils grandpa is dead or alive? After so many years?
Either #badboyfriend or #phanisnotreal

[LurkingTrash]

Anyone notice DAPGO making a sneaky appearance in Phil's twitter bio? He's never even talked about the book

you gave me a twinge of hope there, I didn't notice but now that I did: he went through the trouble of changing his twitter bio and didn't take the "the guy from Radio 1" part out? (I'm grasping at straws here but oh how I wish the radio shows would come back)

[boop]

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

That's the upside to the ASA guidelines these days - you have to give a realistic overview of the product, and clearly label it as advertising - including if you've been given extra content/similar (gems/money)
So a great big cynical "Job Well Done" to for that!

Couldn't it deter other potential spons from approaching D&P though?

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

why would you say that?

I mean they were pretty critical of the game and kept on emphasizing that they were only speeding up functions b/c the developers gave them a bunch of free stuff.

Anyway sorry if this has been brought up before but here are Dan's current socialblade statistics: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/danisnotonfire

He used to have an A ranking but he's only a B+ now. His 30-day views and subscribers have gone down as well. (The subs are especially concerning -- they've gone by almost 30%). Phil's sub gain is also stalling; he's down by 17%.

What with the lack of ??? content on their main channels, I can't shake the feeling that they just don't really care that they're losing relevance on yt. People like Caspar who used to be behind Dan in subs are ahead of him now.

[albion]

dan and phil have swapped twitter accounts as a social experiment.

you'd think i was joking about this but...

[Winston]

- Phil's eyes look very green today. Is it because of the shirt?
- Dan looks legit dead inside when announcing the game they were playing. Look at those dead eyes.
- Fisting jokes. Keep your kinks in the hotel rooms with seperate beds boys.
- 'Red Tiger Nuts, that's what you like to eat isn't it?' Wow Phil stop trying to out Dan.
- Dan you're a bad boyfriend for not knowing whether grandpa Bert is still alive.
- Fursona. Dan you fucking furry.
- I guessed Pandalf. It wasn't that hard. Nor was it funny.
- 'We should do some breeding.' 'Not us...' Stop disappointing me.
- ..Phil and Fursona are gonna breed. Still sounds like Phan to me.
- I don't think popping out an egg is any better than a baby...
- I'm so bored when is this ending?
- Please tell me Dan did not just howl... Omg he did. Furry.
- Even the battles in this game are boring.
- The trashcan bit is so fake :') Aside from it being too much of a coincidence, there's an obvious jumpcut there and if you look at the screen Dan's hand suddenly moves away from the iPad while it previously wasn't there.
- I didn't hate this video... but it was still bad and I'm glad it's over.

I am glad that I am not the only one who noticed this (bold part). Like what, Dan didn't know if Phils grandpa is dead or alive? After so many years?
Either #badboyfriend or #phanisnotreal

Maybe dan calls him grandpa too. I had to ask my hubby what is grandmas' names were because i always call them grandma.


I didnt love the vid, but did not hate it. As someone who could really care less about games in general my favorite content of deppy's is their gaming channel. So the game being boring didn't effect me here nor there, their obvious lack of enthusiasm did. I don’t blame them though.it is just a rehash of other games they already played. Not looking forward to another one of these tbh.

They both sound sick still. Dan sounded better on the Farfetched Go vid though. Did he just wake up, or did phil give him his cold.

[taetaewl]

@albion; I bet they are playing some game of; who will get caught first using the others Twitter. I'm sure they are very amused by this, that many of their fans hasn't caught on yet They must be bored out of their minds or this is another way of them subtly flirting with each other

Edit: OR! this is away for them to call out Onion, like "sorry dude I belong to this dude, we are soo in to each other to the point of sharing twitter passwords" ... I will let myself out.

[LurkingTrash]

This has no purpose at all but I want to put it here, sighting of the spon bus:

from: tomska vlog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVBa5TwUPJo around 13:05

[Ticia]

dan and phil have swapped twitter accounts as a social experiment.

you'd think i was joking about this but...

Sign me in for this

The video was "only" alright to me, but purely because I'm not into this type of games (anymore). Nice bantz, if any of you feels like reliving them, here's a summary:

[starlight-still]

Monster #spon vid was 'meh' for me too, but then again I realize that I'm not in their key demographic, which it's undoubtedly geared towards. Still, I enjoyed a few little details, like Dan's FKA Twigs interpretation (she's actually growing on me, it made me smile), Phil's grasshopper green peepers (third one in a row he's worn green!), and just seeing them back home in their element (although they probably rolled right back into bed after filming...at least I hope they did ). I'll say it: there's a fine line with the innuendos and it's an art form making it work without crossing over to creepy-land. Some of Dan's in this video I was like like he was trying too hard...but I blame it on the overall #spon awkwardness/jetlag.

re: Phil's grandpa Bert- I refuse to believe that Dan didn't know he was alive, I think he was just asking for the sake of the audience, like he did sometimes in tour #spon videos ("Are there any tickets left?"- boy, you know exactly how many are left down to the section and row).

re: "trash cans"- Yeah, that was fake. Nice try, fellas, you can't fool us.




evenifweareexactlyasitsaysonthetin

Fellow Phil :

amirite?

[uglyamerican]

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

That's the upside to the ASA guidelines these days - you have to give a realistic overview of the product, and clearly label it as advertising - including if you've been given extra content/similar (gems/money)
So a great big cynical "Job Well Done" to for that!

Couldn't it deter other potential spons from approaching D&P though?

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

why would you say that?

I mean they were pretty critical of the game and kept on emphasizing that they were only speeding up functions b/c the developers gave them a bunch of free stuff.

Anyway sorry if this has been brought up before but here are Dan's current socialblade statistics: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/danisnotonfire

He used to have an A ranking but he's only a B+ now. His 30-day views and subscribers have gone down as well. (The subs are especially concerning -- they've gone by almost 30%). Phil's sub gain is also stalling; he's down by 17%.

What with the lack of ??? content on their main channels, I can't shake the feeling that they just don't really care that they're losing relevance on yt. People like Caspar who used to be behind Dan in subs are ahead of him now.

Let's face it: the boys are on the older side of the scale for their genre (that appeals mostly to tweens and teenaged girls - and relies on new subs from that age group.) It really isn't hard to see that very young girls are not going to be subscribing to "older" men. Caspar otoh, is at the prime age for the genre - and maybe obtainable in a fantasy universe? - hence his growing subscribership. It also doesn't hurt when Casp appears shirtless in his vids - which is fairly often.

[offtopic]Side note: perhaps coincidentally, Caspar tweeted about his nipples being exposed after our earlier discussion about #nipplegate - you don't think he might lurk here? [/offtopic]

Anyway, I like Caspar - he's cute (for now) - but he is nowhere near as clever as D&P.

Someone else in the genre whose subs are stagnant and views are lagging is Connor Franta. He makes some high quality videos (in terms of production value,) yet are filled with #spon (probably too much.) Is it the #spon / hucksterism? His unobtainability after coming out as gay in a very touching video? He sorta doesn't seem to be really into making videos anymore, except to promote his merch lines (where the real money is.) Like Caspar, I don't find him all that creative (other than his photography) - but he is cute (for now.)

And of course, Tyler Oakley whose views have really tanked (and also doesn't do a lot of videos anymore.) Is it the lack of production that causing the fall off, or are viewers just moving on?

Which brings me to my final point. Drawing a parallel to (American) TV shows: A TV show is considered to have been successful if it is able to last for 4-5 seasons / years / series. D&P, CF and TO (who are getting older) have been around for a bit longer than that, but not by much. It's possible that mainstream followers / demographic are getting bored with them and beginning to move on to the nbt (next big thing.)

[albion]

Anyway sorry if this has been brought up before but here are Dan's current socialblade statistics: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/danisnotonfire

He used to have an A ranking but he's only a B+ now. His 30-day views and subscribers have gone down as well. (The subs are especially concerning -- they've gone by almost 30%). Phil's sub gain is also stalling; he's down by 17%.

What with the lack of ??? content on their main channels, I can't shake the feeling that they just don't really care that they're losing relevance on yt. People like Caspar who used to be behind Dan in subs are ahead of him now.

Let's face it: the boys are on the older side of the scale for their genre (that appeals mostly to tweens and teenaged girls - and relies on new subs from that age group.) It really isn't hard to see that very young girls are not going to be subscribing to "older" men. Caspar otoh, is at the prime age for the genre - and maybe obtainable in a fantasy universe? - hence his growing subscribership. It also doesn't hurt when Casp appears shirtless in his vids - which is fairly often.

I don't really think it has to do with age of them specifically, kids of the age of 12 to 16 are into bands like twenty one pilots or my chemical romance, or movie actors that are double their age and i don't think they really care a lot. (at least i didn't when i was younger ?)

Well, about socialblade, it's obvious that they have been as inactive as they've ever been on youtube and/or any social media this year because of a couple of things:
i. the american tour content was saved for the documentary that's going to be out in october hopefully
ii. there was no radio show nor liveshows to make them relevant between videos (of course this means, less tweeting / tumblr posts from us, and more likely for people that are not as invested, to just drift away or momentarely forget about their existance, just because we don't have enough to buzz about besides some lousy tweets and pictures every once in a while)
iii. there were obviously less videos in general, that means less subs and less views. mid tatinof usa show there was literally an entire month where they didn't upload a single video in any channel.

my conclusion though, is that they counted for this to happen because they are hoping to unleash all content in october like last year. While the whole year of 2015 was kind of chill and not really much happened, the last three months were hectic and it made up for the whole year of inactivity and comparatively when you see it with other youtubers, they may upload like one video a week or two / three a month but, the buzz that d&p generate when they work intensely on projects brings back all the "periferic" viewers i think.

i wouldn't see it as them 'loosing relevancy' and more of a different approach to generating content. i'd rather be it this way if it means the final product is going to be good, guess we'll see when the documentary / tatinof comes out.

[lor_192]

I mean..It is 4.30 am and i might be drunk but this was a veryyyyy boring video for me,and I am easy to please.Even though it was 15 min it felt rushed and Dan was not helping because he was clearly bored to death. Phil tried ....bless him

Nevertheless it was nice to get a new video so soon

Plsssss let there be a live show tomorrow


Thank you autocorrect ,i see double but i am still a

[Catallena]

About grandpa Bert, I don't know if Phil still has both his grandfathers or only one. If it's the latter and Dan isn't aware/forgot the name of the grandpa who is alive he might've just been asking which one he meant.

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

That's the upside to the ASA guidelines these days - you have to give a realistic overview of the product, and clearly label it as advertising - including if you've been given extra content/similar (gems/money)
So a great big cynical "Job Well Done" to for that!

Couldn't it deter other potential spons from approaching D&P though?

While I like that D&P don't pretend to love something they are clearly just doing for the sweet spon money I have to admit if I was the company and had approval I'd have sent that back for a re-shoot if they wanted me to pay them.

why would you say that?

I mean they were pretty critical of the game and kept on emphasizing that they were only speeding up functions b/c the developers gave them a bunch of free stuff.

Anyway sorry if this has been brought up before but here are Dan's current socialblade statistics: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/danisnotonfire

He used to have an A ranking but he's only a B+ now. His 30-day views and subscribers have gone down as well. (The subs are especially concerning -- they've gone by almost 30%). Phil's sub gain is also stalling; he's down by 17%.

What with the lack of ??? content on their main channels, I can't shake the feeling that they just don't really care that they're losing relevance on yt. People like Caspar who used to be behind Dan in subs are ahead of him now.

Let's face it: the boys are on the older side of the scale for their genre (that appeals mostly to tweens and teenaged girls - and relies on new subs from that age group.) It really isn't hard to see that very young girls are not going to be subscribing to "older" men. Caspar otoh, is at the prime age for the genre - and maybe obtainable in a fantasy universe? - hence his growing subscribership. It also doesn't hurt when Casp appears shirtless in his vids - which is fairly often.

[offtopic]Side note: perhaps coincidentally, Caspar tweeted about his nipples being exposed after our earlier discussion about #nipplegate - you don't think he might lurk here? [/offtopic]

Anyway, I like Caspar - he's cute (for now) - but he is nowhere near as clever as D&P.

Someone else in the genre whose subs are stagnant and views are lagging is Connor Franta. He makes some high quality videos (in terms of production value,) yet are filled with #spon (probably too much.) Is it the #spon / hucksterism? His unobtainability after coming out as gay in a very touching video? He sorta doesn't seem to be really into making videos anymore, except to promote his merch lines (where the real money is.) Like Caspar, I don't find him all that creative (other than his photography) - but he is cute (for now.)

And of course, Tyler Oakley whose views have really tanked (and also doesn't do a lot of videos anymore.) Is it the lack of production that causing the fall off, or are viewers just moving on?

Which brings me to my final point. Drawing a parallel to (American) TV shows: A TV show is considered to have been successful if it is able to last for 4-5 seasons / years / series. D&P, CF and TO (who are getting older) have been around for a bit longer than that, but not by much. It's possible that mainstream followers / demographic are getting bored with them and beginning to move on to the nbt (next big thing.)

What is certain is that YouTube will look completely different in 5 years time (if it hasn't been killed by Google being dumbasses by then). If you go back to the top Creators of 2010/11 you'll see names who have either disappeared completely or are struggling really hard to cling to that last bit of fame. It's really fascinating tbh. Charlie used to be one the biggest names on the site, king of UK YouTube... now ask your average 13 year old fangirl who he is and there's a good change that they'll have no clue. They only know the new generation. I can make a pretty big list of has been YouTubers rn, but I'm not going to 'cause no one cares lol. Just like no one cares about their careers anymore. Tragic. It's not all bad, there are still a bunch of successful Gen 1 YouTubers around. Phil is one of them, though he's special because he's Gen 1 but hit it big with like Gen 3 or something. But new generations have definitely taken over, and that will happen again. D&P's reign will end and might already be slipping. *circle of life plays in the background*

[trashqueen]

i tried watching the spon video when it was posted and gave up halfway through because i could feel my brain cells dying

tried again now and managed to make it to the end, hated it, the game is boring, as every game that company puts out, and everything they said felt forced/trying too hard

that being said i don't mind that it exist since they were completely transparent as to why they were doing it, on that note, does anyone know how much renting a truck like that costs? judging by how much buses were i would guess probs a lot

also i think that them putting out more videos when spons are happening is great, it's like an 'apologies in advance for the shit that's coming', it would be way worse if they treated spons like actual content

[Amelie]

Ok, so the new video wasn't the greatest. Kudos to for at least trying somewhat to make it appear interesting. Don't get me wrong, I have a few similar apps on my own ipad, but I wouldn't say they are the most exciting thing in the world to tell others about. They're a mind-numbing game you play on the train/toilet etc. They don't make for much second-hand excitement.

I think my biggest issue with the video was that they've played this game before. At least world chef was slightly different. This was dragon city, but far less cool as there were no dragons. If they have to do spon videos for this company I'd almost rather see more dragon city. Then I can kind of get invested in the dragons (I really do mean kind of, they lack the personality of Dil).

On the bright side, yay a new Dil video

[uglyamerican]

I just got around to watching the Monster video - I thought it was fine, although I just like the Pokemon GO videos better (mainly because they are outside.) I didn't think that they were disrespectful of the product at all. Also noticed that Dan has shaved his sides again - maybe for the tour doc promos? Love the shaved sides, Danny.

All in all, I was expecting the worst based on some earlier posts, but it turned out to be pretty ok.

[flarequake]

About grandpa Bert, I don't know if Phil still has both his grandfathers or only one. If it's the latter and Dan isn't aware/forgot the name of the grandpa who is alive he might've just been asking which one he meant.

Yeah, he's said a few times that his other grandfather died when he was 4, also that he had odd-coloured eyes and taught Phil how to play Scrabble and tie shoelaces.

Good thing the guys have a few other irons in the fire besides YouTube, though they might not feel secure about it since Dan's made a few jokes about relevance and employment. Knowing them, they'll be working on things long before we hear a peep about them.

[kay]

Out of all the videos they've had to make for this company's spon this was absolutely the dullest video and game. At least in the cooking game and Dragon City it was mildly interesting (for some reason even though Dragon City is pretty much the exact same thing for some reason I found their personalities to be more engaging in those videos than in this one but that's probably because they're sick af to be honest). This game was a total bore and they made the best of a bad thing.

I laughed out loud when they were completely up front in literally the first sixty seconds ("The reason we're making this video is because these guys quite kindly sponsored our American tour!"), tour's over now nothing to lose right? I was surprised but I can't see them being asked to reshoot anything; the whole point is to get people in their demo to play it and this video will more than do that, so the spon is fulfilled imho

In an unrelated story I've actually been quite missing Mr. Dil Howlter and have been watching Sims videos all the way through instead of just listening/sort of watching them like I do the first time around and I'm loving the change you can see from Phil's personality as the videos go on in time. He seems happier, more engaging, and most of all he actually looks away from the camera once and awhile and looks at Dan. That was the biggest thing I remember noticing when I first started getting into their vids was yes #hearteyeshowell is a thing and how much Dan looked at Phil but how much Phil pointedly and rarely looked at Dan. The Sims videos it's easy to see because there's a lot of back and forth banter but it's evident in all the videos nowadays with them both in it.

#teamshavedsides

[daphenaxa]

About grandpa Bert, I don't know if Phil still has both his grandfathers or only one. If it's the latter and Dan isn't aware/forgot the name of the grandpa who is alive he might've just been asking which one he meant.

Yeah, he's said a few times that his other grandfather died when he was 4, also that he had odd-coloured eyes and taught Phil how to play Scrabble and tie shoelaces.

I mean... Dan went to the Isle of Man to visit Phil's family for father's day reconnect with Martyn. I am pretty sure he knows Phil's grandpa's name and if he is dead or not.

[missemma]

So my main question after this video, is how the hell did we miss there being a fuck-off big AD poster of monster legends on one of the tour trucks?? We're slacking clearly

Don't worry we knew of that truck, someone found it on Twitter as they drove past it. It was quite near the end of the tour but we did discuss it on here. Phew, stalking skills are still up there don't worry

I don't mind a spon video at all, I'm grateful for the frequency in the uploading to dapg, please don't stop deppy. It'll be one of those videos that will never be rewatched by me because I don't enjoy the game playing, I mean the video made the game look well complicated and just a mess. They had too much on the screen and I couldn't figure the game out but it was nice to see the shaved sides making a comeback at least! I'm all here for that.

[SquishPhan]

I'm really hoping that them mentioning all this #spon stuff is because the EU tour will be happening soon.

[Lurktacularr]

Yeah I reckon with all this spon shit we're in for an EU leg of the tour. Also we've not had the obligatory 'going into hibernation now bye' tweets, nor any 'its all over' tweets so I don't think they're finished yet. I imagine organising a tour when you're already on another is pretty difficile and may explain lack of timeliness.

re Phil's grandpa. I call bullshit that Dan didn't know if he was alive. In fact I barely need to call it, its just factual since as daphenaxa said he has been to their house. He did the same thing about Phil's mum a while ago (a sims vid I think - too lazy to find it) where he said something like 'has your mum got a weird nose' and even PHIL was like 'you've met my mum..???'. I mean, there are videos still on YT of Dan physically looking at Phil's mum (xmas adventure) and he still comes out with this shit

[Ticia]

Yeah I reckon with all this spon shit we're in for an EU leg of the tour. Also we've not had the obligatory 'going into hibernation now bye' tweets, nor any 'its all over' tweets so I don't think they're finished yet. I imagine organising a tour when you're already on another is pretty difficile and may explain lack of timeliness.

re Phil's grandpa. I call bullshit that Dan didn't know if he was alive. In fact I barely need to call it, its just factual since as daphenaxa said he has been to their house. He did the same thing about Phil's mum a while ago (a sims vid I think - too lazy to find it) where he said something like 'has your mum got a weird nose' and even PHIL was like 'you've met my mum..???'. I mean, there are videos still on YT of Dan physically looking at Phil's mum (xmas adventure) and he still comes out with this shit

OR Or Dan didn't remember Phil's alive grandfather name. I've met my best friend's grandparents, even I've had dinner at their house, but I can't remember their names right now (I'm not even sure I know them), because I usually spoke to them using "Sir" and "Ma'am". Not that big of a deal

[alittledizzy]

I'm still without reliable wifi/a computer for a couple days but I'm braving the mobile posting format just to share my appreciation for Phils hot anime guy mention. I mean it lends credence to the theory they swapped twitters but honestly either way, I'm here for it.

[Lurktacularr]

I'm still without reliable wifi/a computer for a couple days but I'm braving the mobile posting format just to share my appreciation for Phils hot anime guy mention. I mean it lends credence to the theory they swapped twitters but honestly either way, I'm here for it.

Ha I thought you'd like that

In some ways you could say Phil gives nothing away compared to Dan. In others you could say Dan paves the way and normalises certain comments within the phandom (e.g. haru being hot) which allows Phil to sneak in a similar comment without the phandom blowing a gasket about it.

Someone go back in time and tell 2012 Dan that he's a sexuality trailblazer for the two of them. His brain will leak out his hear. I'm not taking the piss, I'm proud of him

Ticia yeah I guess. Culturally speaking though its not common for us to refer to friends'/spouse's family members as sir/madam, its just a bit formal and I'd be very surprised if he referred to Phil's grandparents that way. I know its not a big deal on the surface but it just goes to show that they can quite naturally and convincingly mask how involved they are in each others lives (unless you know better) and it makes me wonder what else they talk shit about lol.