Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.

[oqua]

Continue banting here!

(Previous thread)

[flarequake]

Those last few posts describing how the guys move...

And clumsy or not, gotta love Phil's dainty hands and all-round bounciness. Reminds me a bit of one of my previous cats who was smaller, daintier and more energetic, and bolshy, than her sister.

Interesting observation that Dan keeps bending his knees etc. Locking your knees is something I've been told to watch and avoid as my lower back is quite curved, but I'm not that tall. Ages ago someone pointed out that he makes himself smaller in videos like baking the pumpkin cookies as if he's trying to be smaller than Phil again. It's the most adorable theory.

[phanaconda]

Wait, where is that from?

[phamnotof]

Very beautifully put and I kinda agree with everything except the Phil's hands things.
Do you have gifs or moments in a video that could make me get what you are referring to? Because I have always seen Phil's hand moves as clumsy, shaky, even weirdly ineffective.

thank you & everyone else, you're entirely

the rest under the cut because TATINOF SPOILERS

I don't have the specific videos on me, a lot of them get deleted over time & I'm terrible with archiving, but with the hands movement, try looking up something where he does his magic tricks. That's specifically just very interesting controlled and yet fluid hand motion that caught my eye often. When he wants to, he extends his fingers so fucking well and manages to keep a lightness to how he moves them, a kind of aristocratic delicacy, and yet it all reads as very sure and practiced.

[majitzu]

Wait, where is that from?

? Australia day in the life video

[oqua]

Hi!


(gifs source: okdaniel)

So, this is quite random, but in honor of this moment from the Australia DITL video, I have put together a compilation of Dan presenting...



PINOF 4 bloopers
at 4:08

Phil: Eat your toes.
Dan: (Grabs his ankles and flails his legs a bit) Ow, I’m stuck.
Phil: I’m not touching you.
Dan: (proceeds to roll back and go into a full presenting position) Lower me.
Phil: (lowers him) That… kind of looked a bit wrong.
Dan: (sounding sort of debonair) Yes…

PINOF 3
at 3:35





Dan and Phil play P.T (Silent Hills)
at :39

Dan: (finishes showing off his socks) I’ll stop presenting to the camera.
Phil: Yeah, stop that.
Dan: Okay— (cough cough)

(screenshot from Cora!)

TEMMIE VILLAGE! - Dan and Phil play: Undertale #5
(I don’t know what the timecode for this one is. Sorry!)





Australia DITL
at 17:14

Dan: Want to see my koala posture? (heaves his legs over his head)
Phil: Whoa! That’s some pretty good koala posture.
Dan: (settles into his position)
Phil: Are you ever gonna get out of that position now?
Dan: (wobbles) Help me.

And then some examples where he's not exactly "presenting," but he is showing off his butt in some way...

(Caspar collab)
at 2:37

(Tyler porn collab)
at 6:25

(7SC with PewDiePie)
at 2:23

(“Do an interpretive dance about childbirth!”)

(DAPG Tekken)
at 6:17 and 9:02


...lol what is my life.
anyway, it's good to be back!

[phanaconda]

Wait, where is that from?

? Australia day in the life video

Ohh sorry. It seems the first part of the video literally ruined everything else for me cause I can't remember that.

I'm gonna rewatch it and skip the first minute tbh.

[Winston]

Oqua you are priceless.

[SquishPhan]

oqua I love that post.
He really does do that quite a lot.

Wait, where is that from?

? Australia day in the life video

Ohh sorry. It seems the first part of the video literally ruined everything else for me cause I can't remember that.

I'm gonna rewatch it and skip the first minute tbh.

Yeah I would just skip to about 1:30.

[missemma]

Sorry I'm so late to the airport discussion, been having technology hating me issues. All sorted now.

I saw this on Twitter earlier on and it made me laugh because people are adamant that D&P don't mind people being there at the airport however Dan himself says something completely different. They are pretty nice to carry on just entertaining the fans, I guess the more people go and post their selfies, the more people will think it's acceptable. Maybe they'll say something when the tour is over.

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

[Diyes_Celine]

Wait, where is that from?

? Australia day in the life video

Ohh sorry. It seems the first part of the video literally ruined everything else for me cause I can't remember that.

I'm gonna rewatch it and skip the first minute tbh.

It was a fun DILT. If you're a Phil trash you wont skip the first minute because of scruffy!Phil. It can never be as good as the Festive DILT but remember that every opening scene of DILT was scripted af. ( He could have at least changed his top. They've been doing this scripted thing for years and yet they still can't get it right.)

Love the forum name and photo. Thank you, oqua. I just love Phil's bourgeois hands.

Well the last post I made went down well lol remind me to never mention Onision again

Are we allowed to mention specific Phan accounts? If not I've seen an anti-phan account which seems pretty convinced phan is real, using opinion and potentially circumstantial evidence (depending on your personal view) as fact really. I'll link the account but, thoughts? (Pls remove this post if this isn't okay)

http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/

Specific POI: http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/post/1494 ... e-together

This anti-phan account is interesting because she answered the questions as if she knew D&P personally. I am not sure if it's just because of the attachment to Charlie or if he/she was once part of the yt community.

BTW I like her post "Why I left the phandom." I couldn't agree more. Although, what's her beef with vyou1?

Airport: STALKERS!!! I don't care how old they are. Have some decency.

I want to thank the internet gods. The nail polish issue has finally subsided.

[fancybum]

Sorry I'm so late to the airport discussion, been having technology hating me issues. All sorted now.

I saw this on Twitter earlier on and it made me laugh because people are adamant that D&P don't mind people being there at the airport however Dan himself says something completely different. They are pretty nice to carry on just entertaining the fans, I guess the more people go and post their selfies, the more people will think it's acceptable. Maybe they'll say something when the tour is over.

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

I think they're in a kind of yikes situation where if they say 'k actually guys could you not' now they'll make the people who already did it feel retroactively bad (which... they should...) and make people planning to do it feel weird (which... again...) and get the 'why was it ok for those people and not us' kind of reaction. I think they're going for the 'grin and bear it' this time around option, maybe especially since it mostly involves fans in a country they're unlikely to be in again? I'm also curious if they'll discuss it much or at all once they're back. But just based on their faces in the pics posted in the last thread, I mean... people are being wilfully clueless just to get what they want. It's unfortunate.

[LurkingTrash]

Oqua you never fail to impress me
the word choice of 'presenting' too... you had me laughing way too much

Sorry I'm so late to the airport discussion, been having technology hating me issues. All sorted now.

I saw this on Twitter earlier on and it made me laugh because people are adamant that D&P don't mind people being there at the airport however Dan himself says something completely different. They are pretty nice to carry on just entertaining the fans, I guess the more people go and post their selfies, the more people will think it's acceptable. Maybe they'll say something when the tour is over.

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

This whole airport thing is starting to get on my nerves, I wasn't really bothered by it before but deppy looks more and more pissed off at it in the photos.
And these people saying they don't mind just so people will stop hating on them are just encouraging more people to show up.
I don't buy it that these who show up believe that Dan and Phil don't care about fans stalking them, unless they don't know Dan and Phil at all.

[flarequake]

10/10 archiving oqua. Seeing all those older screenshots, the latest butt-in-the-air angle is actually fairly elegant. Ngl, it's a tempting view, but would we rather reach over to yank his trousers up or to spank him

Good point on the airport situation that they'd upset those who already did it and thought they didn't mind if they do say something now, but it also might get too much if it hasn't already. At least they are travelling with a security person and it seems fairly calm and under control, but yeah, you can see they're tired and not up for it. They've been looking a bit tired even in some of the M&G pics.

[pearshaped34]

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

Honestly I'm not sure what they'd say at an M&G if put on the spot about that particularly if it was by someone who had actually already stalked them at an airport.
Not only would they be on the spot but they are talking to someone who paid a lot of money to have that interaction with them. I mean I very much doubt Dan was laughing at the haters with her but I kind of suspect him and Phil would be too socially awkward to actually just say no it's not cool don't do it in that kind of situation. I think things like that are a lot easier to say in tweets and online then to a fans face hence why when faced with the actual stalkers in airports they don't call them out and just take the picture (and only scream with their eyes).

Well the last post I made went down well lol remind me to never mention Onision again
Are we allowed to mention specific Phan accounts? If not I've seen an anti-phan account which seems pretty convinced phan is real, using opinion and potentially circumstantial evidence (depending on your personal view) as fact really. I'll link the account but, thoughts? (Pls remove this post if this isn't okay)

http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/

Specific POI: http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/post/1494 ... e-together

This anti-phan account is interesting because she answered the questions as if she knew D&P personally. I am not sure if it's just because of the attachment to Charlie or if he/she was once part of the yt community.

BTW I like her post "Why I left the phandom." I couldn't agree more. Although, what's her beef with vyou1?

Just clicked on this and by reading the first post that comes up about their reasons for hating Dan I'm going to guess that is the person behind the blackmailing Dan thing on twitter who posted on here a bit or another of the people involved in that.
She also talked like she has inside knowledge, was a big Charlie fan and felt Dan had committed a crime for not responding to the stalkerish level of emails her friend sent him (one of the reasons that blog hates Dan is him not responding to emails).
I really wish people would stop giving that person attention.

[LurkingTrash]

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

Honestly I'm not sure what they'd say at an M&G if put on the spot about that particularly if it was by someone who had actually already stalked them at an airport.
Not only would they be on the spot but they are talking to someone who paid a lot of money to have that interaction with them. I mean I very much doubt Dan was laughing at the haters with her but I kind of suspect him and Phil would be too socially awkward to actually just say no it's not cool don't do it in that kind of situation. I think things like that are a lot easier to say in tweets and online then to a fans face hence why when faced with the actual stalkers in airports they don't call them out and just take the picture (and only scream with their eyes).

Well the last post I made went down well lol remind me to never mention Onision again
Are we allowed to mention specific Phan accounts? If not I've seen an anti-phan account which seems pretty convinced phan is real, using opinion and potentially circumstantial evidence (depending on your personal view) as fact really. I'll link the account but, thoughts? (Pls remove this post if this isn't okay)

http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/

Specific POI: http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/post/1494 ... e-together

This anti-phan account is interesting because she answered the questions as if she knew D&P personally. I am not sure if it's just because of the attachment to Charlie or if he/she was once part of the yt community.

BTW I like her post "Why I left the phandom." I couldn't agree more. Although, what's her beef with vyou1?

Just clicked on this and by reading the first post that comes up about their reasons for hating Dan I'm going to guess that is the person behind the blackmailing Dan thing on twitter who posted on here a bit or another of the people involved in that.
She also talked like she has inside knowledge, was a big Charlie fan and felt Dan had committed a crime for not responding to the stalkerish level of emails her friend sent him (one of the reasons that blog hates Dan is him not responding to emails).
I really wish people would stop giving that person attention.

yep, I started reading like "this sounds too familiar" with the 'I know something you don't' thing. And like 2 pages in you get the confirmation that it's them. lol that person even used the main tags in the post about 'proving' phan is real, they only want the attention and the phandom keeps providing that.

[sweetmm]

Am I the only one that find it funny they use both their hands in this pic

I hope once the tour ends they manage to take a day off at the Gold Coast, at least visit Sea World, I think they'll enjoy themselves there out of all the parks they have

[jesp]

Moderating

Are we allowed to mention specific Phan accounts? If not I've seen an anti-phan account which seems pretty convinced phan is real, using opinion and potentially circumstantial evidence (depending on your personal view) as fact really. I'll link the account but, thoughts? (Pls remove this post if this isn't okay)

http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/

Specific POI: http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/post/1494 ... e-together

It's okay to discuss the blog, but since she posts here, keep things civil and within the rules.

[daphenaxa]

Hi!


(gifs source: okdaniel)

Oquaaaaa what a beautiful return
Dan really is quite flexible for someone so huge

[swofro]

hi its me, i am back. ive missed way too much to even catch up. i'll be posting more regularly. dunno if anyone remembers me from gg. but hi, need to catch up af

Hi, i don't remember what your gg username is but I remember your signature. Welcome back.

What a good post to announce your return, oqua, 10/10

[phanaconda]

oqua you really are our lord and saviour.

But really I'm always amused by his tendency to show the booty. We get it Dan, you have a nice butt, but don't be such a show-off.

Also this one always makes me laugh for some reason:



PS: #DanBottoms2K16 sorrynotsorry

[lilMango]

Moderating

Are we allowed to mention specific Phan accounts? If not I've seen an anti-phan account which seems pretty convinced phan is real, using opinion and potentially circumstantial evidence (depending on your personal view) as fact really. I'll link the account but, thoughts? (Pls remove this post if this isn't okay)

http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/

Specific POI: http://crrabstickz.tumblr.com/post/1494 ... e-together

It's okay to discuss the blog, but since she posts here, keep things civil and within the rules.

I'm a Jesp Stan

Oqua you never fail to impress me
the word choice of 'presenting' too... you had me laughing way too much

Sorry I'm so late to the airport discussion, been having technology hating me issues. All sorted now.

I saw this on Twitter earlier on and it made me laugh because people are adamant that D&P don't mind people being there at the airport however Dan himself says something completely different. They are pretty nice to carry on just entertaining the fans, I guess the more people go and post their selfies, the more people will think it's acceptable. Maybe they'll say something when the tour is over.

I saw one fan posting that her and Dan were 'laughing' at the haters at her m&g. I mean who is she trying to kid, we know his routine is 'hi thanks for coming, did you want us to sign that, shall I take the selfie, bye', I really can't imagine him laughing along to people trying to tell them that fans going to the airport is wrong. If she can produce a video of him saying that it's fine to wait for them after a long flight when all they wanna do is chill out then I'll eat my words.

This whole airport thing is starting to get on my nerves, I wasn't really bothered by it before but deppy looks more and more pissed off at it in the photos.
And these people saying they don't mind just so people will stop hating on them are just encouraging more people to show up.
I don't buy it that these who show up believe that Dan and Phil don't care about fans stalking them, unless they don't know Dan and Phil at all.

I agree with this entire post. Looking at the airport pictures makes me feel tired for them. I hope they do say something when the tour is over, because I would hate it if they ignored it and continued letting this happen.

[fleur]

This is a delayed reply to spider and 000dia000...
If it was about Dan gradually becoming more and more comfortable with being open about his sexuality, I don't understand why he has been doing basically the same thing for the past 1.5 years because (as Lucet said) his comments (“hints“) are still in a pretty safe zone with room for interpretation. That makes sense if it is actually queer baiting and it's just a way to keep the fandom hooked without actual intention to ever come out (because he does not want to or because he is not bi/gay/...). Onision is an extreme example, but it's not like queer baiting is uncommon on youtube. People on this forum frequently acknowledge that Dan knows exactly what the fans want and that a lot of what he does is fan service/part of his “brand“ yet everyone seems to think that anything he says that can be linked to his sexuality is 100% genuine and must be him becoming more open about his sexuality.

When people say Dan pretends to be interested in men for views they forget a lot of his millions of subscribers are casual fans who watch his videos and don't care about his sexuality or Phan or anything else. Only the very interested fans on IDB and Twitter and Tumblr care about that. Personally I was a casual fan for 3 years because I liked his videos for being relatable and funny (...)

Of course there are casual viewers that only watch him for his content but youtube is no longer their only source of income. The people that are active in the fandom/on social media have become much more important than the casual viewers over the past two years as they are the ones that buy the book, go to the tour, buy the merch etc. and help them to stay relevant despite them rarely posting videos. Of those people the majority ships Phan and wants Dan to be bi. So it makes sense to give those people what they want.

[anathema]

Hi!


(gifs source: okdaniel)
So, this is quite random, but in honor of this moment from the Australia DITL video, I have put together a compilation of Dan presenting...

PINOF 4 bloopers
at 4:08

Phil: Eat your toes.
Dan: (Grabs his ankles and flails his legs a bit) Ow, I’m stuck.
Phil: I’m not touching you.
Dan: (proceeds to roll back and go into a full presenting position) Lower me.
Phil: (lowers him) That… kind of looked a bit wrong.
Dan: (sounding sort of debonair) Yes…

PINOF 3
at 3:35





Dan and Phil play P.T (Silent Hills)
at :39

Dan: (finishes showing off his socks) I’ll stop presenting to the camera.
Phil: Yeah, stop that.
Dan: Okay— (cough cough)

(screenshot from Cora!)

TEMMIE VILLAGE! - Dan and Phil play: Undertale #5
(I don’t know what the timecode for this one is. Sorry!)





Australia DITL
at 17:14

Dan: Want to see my koala posture? (heaves his legs over his head)
Phil: Whoa! That’s some pretty good koala posture.
Dan: (settles into his position)
Phil: Are you ever gonna get out of that position now?
Dan: (wobbles) Help me.

And then some examples where he's not exactly "presenting," but he is showing off his butt in some way...

(Caspar collab)
at 2:37

(Tyler porn collab)
at 6:25

(7SC with PewDiePie)
at 2:23

(“Do an interpretive dance about childbirth!”)

(DAPG Tekken)
at 6:17 and 9:02


...lol what is my life.
anyway, it's good to be back!

I think this is my new favorite post

I saw this on Twitter earlier on and it made me laugh because people are adamant that D&P don't mind people being there at the airport however Dan himself says something completely different. They are pretty nice to carry on just entertaining the fans, I guess the more people go and post their selfies, the more people will think it's acceptable. Maybe they'll say something when the tour is over.

Ah, yes, people ignoring something Dan and/or Phil has said for their own personal gain. What else is new

[fancybum]

This is a delayed reply to spider and 000dia000...
If it was about Dan gradually becoming more and more comfortable with being open about his sexuality, I don't understand why he has been doing basically the same thing for the past 1.5 years because (as Lucet said) his comments (“hints“) are still in a pretty safe zone with room for interpretation. That makes sense if it is actually queer baiting and it's just a way to keep the fandom hooked without actual intention to ever come out (because he does not want to or because he is not bi/gay/...). Onision is an extreme example, but it's not like queer baiting is uncommon on youtube. People on this forum frequently acknowledge that Dan knows exactly what the fans want and that a lot of what he does is fan service/part of his “brand“ yet everyone seems to think that anything he says that can be linked to his sexuality is 100% genuine and must be him becoming more open about his sexuality.

Of those people the majority ships Phan and wants Dan to be bi. So it makes sense to give those people what they want.

OK fine let's all just agree that Dan is a straight queerbaiter exploiting fan investment in his and Phil's relationship purely for money and move on. You win. What a great guy to stan. Let's all be proud of our life choices and the integrity of knowingly and actively supporting a manipulative money-hungry fake.

Anyway I randomly rewatched this liveshow and Dan's ass is out within the first five minutes:

4:35 - Phil, unfazed: "You just showed your butt to the camera"
That boy.